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sparkleflit 76F
4981 posts
4/25/2017 6:23 pm
SCIENCE HAS ALWAYS BEEN POLITICAL


In her recent blog, "Science Didn't Use To Be Political", Maisie opens with this paragraph......"Science used to be just that-Science. Until the politicians got hold of it.
Science studies, experiments and then puts out data. What to do with data has gone beyond being passed to other scientists, but now is use(sic) by the so-called social justice warriors as a weapon to create social change."

Whew!!!......It would take a lot of writing to unpack all the ignorance in that paragraph.......let alone the rest of that blog.........I wonder if Maisie has heard of Copernicus........look him up Maisie, maybe you find the connection between Science and Politics in that history..........or how he and those who accepted his findings used that Science as a "weapon" to create social change.....or maybe Maisie and her ilk think our society would be better off if Copernicus just passed his data to other scientists and the Earth remained the center of the Solar System...

Are you completely oblivious to the reality of Applied Science?......How Science affects your every moment?......How Science is and always has been one of the most vital and constant aspects of Social Change?.........Your car........how has the automobile been a weapon for Social Change.....or Modern Medicine......fields that are based on Scientific innovation........Or that plane you got in that took you to Rome in a few hours where your ancestors took weeks to cross the Atlantic.......How has air travel affected Social Change?

You must know that Social Change is constant......your age tells me that, however reluctant. you have observed a lot of Social Change in your life.....do you see the cause of those changes as weapons?..........

The Republican government of the US is anti-Science........The core mission of the Environmental Protection Agency, or EPA, “is to protect human health and the environment.” As part of that mission, the agency works to ensure that “national efforts to reduce environmental risk are based on the best available scientific information.” During the first four months of 2017, President Donald Trump, EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt, and their allies in Congress have proven themselves hostile to the role of science in achieving the agency’s mission but all too willing to heed the requests of polluters.

Who is brandishing the weapon?
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sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
4/25/2017 6:25 pm

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sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
4/25/2017 7:44 pm

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I know my blog is political.....did I state somewhere that it isn't?.......As for Copernicus, I didn't say anything about him being shut up by the Pope....I didn't mention religion at all.......Do you assume that I don't know much about Copernicus because I didn't write it all down?.......Read my blog again, maybe you will understand what it's about.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
4/25/2017 7:51 pm

Maisie, Global Warming is not the only Science in the World and not the only Science that the EPA and other Government bodies deal with. Clean air and water, safe drugs, all kinds of pollution, Medical Research, Medicine, Drugs.......Cancer Research..... Science Education..


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
4/26/2017 9:29 am

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Yes, while I was busy in my real life, I was mugged by your sweet little wifey-poo who doesn't even allow me to comment on her blog.........We all know what that makes her.......


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
4/26/2017 9:47 am

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All developed countries in the World allocate government money to Research and Development in many areas, the US included. The research is sometimes done in government labs, but most of it is done by University regulated labs. There is a tremendous amount of R+D done in Medicine, Physics, Astronomy,Technology.....There is Research and Developement projects that are co-operative between countries........Are you really using Hitler as an example?.......LOL


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
4/26/2017 9:59 am

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So what? Back in the day, everyone was religious, that was part of the culture of the time........Thing is, as these scientists delved deeper and deeper into how the World works, the more they uncovered the fallacies and misconceptions of the Bible.......The more Science finds out, the fewer of them are religious.......Today, there are very few religious scientists, and none who take the Bible literally.

Why is it, Maisie, that you have me blocked from commenting on your blog, yet come into mine and act as if it's your blog......what's wrong with you?


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
4/26/2017 10:14 am

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Really?....a local weather synopsis from Tennessee?......How do you imagine that is relevant to this blog?


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
4/26/2017 10:18 am

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I'm sure your book report is interesting to somebody, but seriously?......Go do your little book reports on your own blog.....you must have learned your rudeness from the Holy Sisters.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
4/26/2017 10:38 am

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Did you copy this straight from Fox, or some other creepy Right Wing website?.......The thoughts expressed in this comment, these old Tea Party, Christian-Right-wing propaganda only works within that closed circle....people who have no Science education or pretend they don't.........People who believe the fantasies of Bronze age sheep herders but don't "believe" Science.......It's not a matter of belief..........there is evidence.

The EPA is being defunded, deregulated.......even if Climate Change was completely taken off the table, there is still a lot of need for the EPA...........


Katie_au_lait 78F
7026 posts
4/26/2017 11:39 am

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I have never heard such defensive insecure crap in my life!

Where did you ever hear that "the Left" has "suddenly embraced science"?
You have it the wrong way round...Liberalism has always embraced the Arts and Sciences because it's part of it... surprising you don't know that!
Through many many Centuries, long before Copernicus etc it's fundamentalism that has always fought science, art and philosophy... and politics is part of that. Even a very basic foundation study leads to that understanding.

Why don't you?




lilium6 74F
4498 posts
4/26/2017 12:47 pm

Salsa's post has disappeared but would like to point out there are articles which counter David Rose's accusation of NOAA scientists fudging climate change data (Daily Mail 4/2/2017). Both carbonbriefdotcom (guest post Zeke Hausfather) and Snopes provide detailed information.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
4/26/2017 1:07 pm

    Quoting lilium6:
    Salsa's post has disappeared but would like to point out there are articles which counter David Rose's accusation of NOAA scientists fudging climate change data (Daily Mail 4/2/2017). Both carbonbriefdotcom (guest post Zeke Hausfather) and Snopes provide detailed information.
People like Salsa and Maisie are so consumed with Consumerism, they only hear whatever gives them permission to continue their mad rush to produce more garbage.....unfortunately, there are many others addicted to "STUFF"......."Yay" they shout, "we got more stuff, we win!!!!"


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
4/26/2017 1:09 pm

    Quoting lilium6:
    Salsa's post has disappeared but would like to point out there are articles which counter David Rose's accusation of NOAA scientists fudging climate change data (Daily Mail 4/2/2017). Both carbonbriefdotcom (guest post Zeke Hausfather) and Snopes provide detailed information.
PS......I love your new photo.....


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
4/26/2017 1:18 pm

    Quoting Katie_au_lait:

    I have never heard such defensive insecure crap in my life!

    Where did you ever hear that "the Left" has "suddenly embraced science"?
    You have it the wrong way round...Liberalism has always embraced the Arts and Sciences because it's part of it... surprising you don't know that!
    Through many many Centuries, long before Copernicus etc it's fundamentalism that has always fought science, art and philosophy... and politics is part of that. Even a very basic foundation study leads to that understanding.

    Why don't you?




Right?.........Maisie has been using the same lame arguments for years..........she is obsessed with cramming her prejudices into a mould that she hopes makes sense, but there are always many parts that are awkwardly poking out......she tries to distract us from her contradictions by switching focus.....look over there, I know more about Copernicus....


frenchsalsa2 77F
7809 posts
4/26/2017 6:26 pm

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Gosh Tx... is that due to climate change too? LOL


frenchsalsa2 77F
7809 posts
4/26/2017 7:05 pm

    Quoting lilium6:
    Salsa's post has disappeared but would like to point out there are articles which counter David Rose's accusation of NOAA scientists fudging climate change data (Daily Mail 4/2/2017). Both carbonbriefdotcom (guest post Zeke Hausfather) and Snopes provide detailed information.
Yes, LIL... quite aware of that, thanks. But what I quoted was NOT in snopes. I have much information (available to everyone as well via research) from reputable scientists. Sorry but I do not believe in all the debunking so-called rumours. But it's ok Lil... still luv ya! lol


lilium6 74F
4498 posts
4/26/2017 8:52 pm

Ohh, thanks :- ) Actually it was taken July 2014 - thought I would re-shuffle existing profile pics until getting around to something more current.


Katie_au_lait 78F
7026 posts
4/27/2017 7:34 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Right?.........Maisie has been using the same lame arguments for years..........she is obsessed with cramming her prejudices into a mould that she hopes makes sense, but there are always many parts that are awkwardly poking out......she tries to distract us from her contradictions by switching focus.....look over there, I know more about Copernicus....
Yes...both maisie and liszt do that. They can't answer a question, so they distract.

It's obvious Maisie has very little idea of what Civilisation actually is. For her it begins and ends with America. She sees all other people and countries as inferior and uncivilised.
Her recent cruise must have been a huge culture shock for her...probably overwhelming for someone like her, being out of her depth and unable to control it.