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IRELAND VOTED TO LEGALIZE GAY MARRIAGES! What do you think about legalizing gay marriages? I'm a firm believer that if it doesn't hurt anyone, "live and let live". How do you feel about it? Taken from the article: Ireland's citizens have voted in a landslide to legalize gay marriage, electoral officials announced Saturday — a stunningly lopsided result that illustrates what Catholic leaders and rights activists alike called a "social revolution." Friday's referendum saw 62.1 per cent of Irish voters say "yes" to changing the nation's constitution to define marriage as a union between two people regardless of their sex. Outside Dublin Castle, watching the results announcement in its cobblestoned courtyard, thousands of gay rights activists cheered, hugged and cried at the news. "With today's vote, we have disclosed who we are: a generous, compassionate, bold and joyful people," Prime Minister Enda Kenny proclaimed as he welcomed the outcome. Beside him, Deputy Prime Minister Joan Burton declared the victory "a magical moving moment, when the world's beating heart is in Ireland." Elaine Shuel |
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I am writing this comment to see if that helps this post go up. Also, I wanted to add, there are many negative things going on in the world today. Marriage is a happy event (supposedly lol) so why stop something good from happening? Elaine Shuel
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Bad move, me thinks
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It makes me think of the slogan 'if it feels good, do it!' I disagree with the sentiment as not all that feels good should be blindly or selfishly pursued, e.g. I might enjoy screwing my neighbour's husband but it doesn't make it right. I truly wonder how many people are genuinely homo/bisexual - with so much sexual experimentation it would be understandable there would be some, if not much, confusion (would like to add I'm not anti-gay, valuing the experience of having shared accommodation with two gay men as well as occasionally attending nightclub heavily patronised by homosexuals when younger). It seems we are/have become very much pleasure seekers but at what cost? I wonder how many deeply examine their motives - is the pleasure principle to the fore, their disillusion with opposite sex in this instance a contributing factor? I appreciate my comments simplistic but nonetheless feel a sense of unease with formal recognition of same sex marriage. Contradictory perhaps.
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Bad move, me thinks Elaine Shuel
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It makes me think of the slogan 'if it feels good, do it!' I disagree with the sentiment as not all that feels good should be blindly or selfishly pursued, e.g. I might enjoy screwing my neighbour's husband but it doesn't make it right. I truly wonder how many people are genuinely homo/bisexual - with so much sexual experimentation it would be understandable there would be some, if not much, confusion (would like to add I'm not anti-gay, valuing the experience of having shared accommodation with two gay men as well as occasionally attending nightclub heavily patronised by homosexuals when younger). It seems we are/have become very much pleasure seekers but at what cost? I wonder how many deeply examine their motives - is the pleasure principle to the fore, their disillusion with opposite sex in this instance a contributing factor? I appreciate my comments simplistic but nonetheless feel a sense of unease with formal recognition of same sex marriage. Contradictory perhaps.  I wonder if all those against it, ever thought what they would have felt if the norm was same sex? How would they have felt not being able to marry the opposite sex or have legal marital rights? I'm heterosexual but I understand that we can't control who we are attracted to.Elaine Shuel
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Very well said, Lulu. That was a wonderful comment. I agree totally with your opinion.  Thank you. Elaine Shuel
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5/23/2015 11:05 pm |
I have always felt than I have no right making personal decisions for anyone else. Neither does anyone. As long as we can marry whom we want why worry about what others do. Spiritwoman ^i^
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I have always felt than I have no right making personal decisions for anyone else. Neither does anyone. As long as we can marry whom we want why worry about what others do. Elaine Shuel
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5/23/2015 11:21 pm |
Hi Elaine: I applaud the people of Ireland and think other countries should have their citizens vote on all important issues.instead of having politicians and judges decide for them. Homos*xuality has been around since the beginning of time and it's about time everyone has the same rights and privileges.
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Thanks for your comment, Pat. I can't really say about what the word "marriage" means to them, but perhaps calling it something else, would seem like it's importance is being diminished. Elaine Shuel
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Hi Elaine: I applaud the people of Ireland and think other countries should have their citizens vote on all important issues.instead of having politicians and judges decide for them. Homos*xuality has been around since the beginning of time and it's about time everyone has the same rights and privileges. I feel the same way you do.Elaine Shuel
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I have to admit that I wasn't aware that seniors lose any medical or financial benefits if they marry. I'm Canadian so perhaps it is different here. You are correct that such a system would be wrong, penalizing people for marrying. As I wrote Pat above, this is just speculation, but perhaps they want the word marriage so that it means they have equal rights and it's equally as legal a union as with a man and wife. Tjhanks very much for your comment, kxidy. Elaine Shuel
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I believe that this a big step forward. If we would just consider that we have assigned the meaning to the word "marriage". Certainly marriage speaks of a commitment of two individuals to each other but what makes it so conditional as to be between only men and women? It shouldn't matter, in my opinion. Thanks for your comment.Elaine Shuel
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When you talk about commitment between two people does that also mean that they have to be married? A big stigma is placed on heterosexuals who live together and do not get married. One of the reasons being is that they lose medical and other benefits when they marry someone else after being married and divorced. I have a friend that happened to. As long as she didn't marry she had benefits from her ex-husband. In this case this raises the question of her ex-husband having a certain amount of control over her. It doesn't bother me if there is same sex marriage.
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When you talk about commitment between two people does that also mean that they have to be married? A big stigma is placed on heterosexuals who live together and do not get married. One of the reasons being is that they lose medical and other benefits when they marry someone else after being married and divorced. I have a friend that happened to. As long as she didn't marry she had benefits from her ex-husband. In this case this raises the question of her ex-husband having a certain amount of control over her. It doesn't bother me if there is same sex marriage. Elaine Shuel
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I was reading all your comments, Maisie, and then realized that this is MY post. I almost forgot.  When I had to address something that went back and forth on someone else's post, LIszt made a comment about me taking over that post. I expect such a comment to be forthcoming.  I'm only teasing. I don't mind that you responded to other comments. The only thing is, you didn't respond to me directly. Therefore, I'm left to respond to your comment to someone else.You said things about marriage between man and woman has been around thousands of years, to be the reason things should remain as they've been. I found that amusing coming from you. Aren't you the one that always promotes change for the better? When our grandparents were younger, it was taught that to discipline their kids, there should be physical violence including whipping with instruments. Teachers hit their students to discipline them. Should that have continued since it was going on for a long time? Absolutely not. As far as the laws protecting rights and the argument that gay marriages shouldn't be legal or the parties would be able to sue. How would you expect laws to be instituted in countries where it's illegal for gay couples to get married? Hopefully laws will change to keep up with the changing environment. Elaine Shuel
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Thanks for your comment, Roxy. Marriages aren't guaranteed to work, but the right to marry should be equal for gay couples as well as heterosexual ones. Elaine Shuel
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Thanks for your great response, MySeek. I agree completely. Elaine Shuel
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Whatever makes them happy, that's great, glad to hear they can now have a piece of paper just like the rest of us that binds them together until death do they part, or they get divorced. I look at what the gays are doing here in the states, and it is such a farce. Attacking those who don't want to join them in their new freedom through lawsuits, oh the drama! This bakery won't bake them a cake for their wedding, oh the pain, they must sue them for all the heartbreak they have put them through!! What a joke! Isn't it wonderful? Then again, I look at the bakeries who refuse to bake the cakes and wonder why, isn't it a business, do they want to make a profit, or not? Isn't that why we open a business, to make a living? I think they are just another part of the drama, but of course, as we have been seeing, they are the losers, not the gays. I think there needs to be limits set, if a person doesn't want to bake a cake for a gay wedding, that gay couple needs to move on. Surely there are other bake shops that would be more than happy to have their business.
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Whatever makes them happy, that's great, glad to hear they can now have a piece of paper just like the rest of us that binds them together until death do they part, or they get divorced. I look at what the gays are doing here in the states, and it is such a farce. Attacking those who don't want to join them in their new freedom through lawsuits, oh the drama! This bakery won't bake them a cake for their wedding, oh the pain, they must sue them for all the heartbreak they have put them through!! What a joke! Isn't it wonderful? Then again, I look at the bakeries who refuse to bake the cakes and wonder why, isn't it a business, do they want to make a profit, or not? Isn't that why we open a business, to make a living? I think they are just another part of the drama, but of course, as we have been seeing, they are the losers, not the gays. I think there needs to be limits set, if a person doesn't want to bake a cake for a gay wedding, that gay couple needs to move on. Surely there are other bake shops that would be more than happy to have their business. My post was about the right to get married but that bakery situation keeps popping up. Your points for both side of that equation were accurate. I'm a bit torn about it. On the one hand, should a business be allowed to refuse a paying customer based on their religion, race, sexual orientation etc? It is discrimination and if it was done in a workplace, they could be sued and would lose. However, as you pointed out, the gay couple could simply buy their baked goods elsewhere. It seems to me, they wanted to make a statement regarding being discriminated against.Elaine Shuel
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Hank, I am not trying to get you to accept anything. In fact, nobody is being forced to accept anything. What they did in Ireland is to legalize gay marriages. Whether or not you approve, isn't the issue. You might feel that gay people shouldn't have equal rights but that doesn't mean they shouldn't. The bakery situation wasn't brought up by me. I do see your point that they might have gone too far to make a point. As far as my religious beliefs, I'll keep them to myself. Thanks for your comment. Elaine Shuel
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Welcome to my blog, IsaacNewton. There are many things in this life that I don't agree with. I don't believe that "Ms. Black America" should be allowed, for instance. Just like there isn't "Ms. White America" and that if there was, that wouldn't be tolerated. Unfortunately, there are things we must just accept. You don't have to personally feel the union between a same sex couple is alright, but legally, you have to accept it, if it's the law. Thanks for your comment. Elaine Shuel
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Thanks for your comment, Rae. My post was about the right to get married but that bakery situation keeps popping up. Your points for both side of that equation were accurate. I'm a bit torn about it. On the one hand, should a business be allowed to refuse a paying customer based on their religion, race, sexual orientation etc? It is discrimination and if it was done in a workplace, they could be sued and would lose. However, as you pointed out, the gay couple could simply buy their baked goods elsewhere. It seems to me, they wanted to make a statement regarding being discriminated against.
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I owned two retail shops, and the owner has a right to refuse business to individuals, which I never did, I'm just saying that they could. Have things changed that much since I was a business owner? What happened to the store owners individual rights? Elaine Shuel
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There isn't a referendum on every issue, Hank. Laws get made and we, as a civilized society, have to obey the laws or suffer the consequences. Even though the majority rules, there should be understanding and acceptance for ideals that the minority have. Of course, there are exceptions like if there a minority promoting violence. The problem regarding gay issues is that there are such deep-seated opinions that many have trouble deviating from them. Thanks for your comment. Elaine Shuel
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Thanks Maisie. Now as far as my example, the point was just because things have been done for a very long time, doesn't mean that should be used as a reason to keep the status quo. Change is sometimes warranted and I believe in this case it is. Ireland voters did the right thing. Of course, you and many others see it differently. The laws in each country will dictate who ultimately can marry not us. Elaine Shuel
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If that's what the law says, how did they win against the bakery owners? I was under the impression the bakery lost. If I'm wrong, please correct me. Thanks Rae.
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Yes, a business has a right to refuse, but it can't be refused for the protected group, which would be based on sex, race, religion, etc... so gays can sue, unless the business owner can prove that they were unruly and loud, they had offensive body odor, or they were a threat to other patrons in the place of business. Elaine Shuel
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It's all about the fact that you are choosing whether to marry or not, ET. Gay people want that same choice Thanks for your comment. Elaine Shuel
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Welcome to my blog, Barbiesbigsister. That was a funny comment that you made, the one that MrsJoe repeated. In my opinion, gay couples should have the same status and rights as straight people. Your brother should have been able to collect the same benefits. Thanks for your response. Elaine Shuel
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