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shuel2002 65F
5107 posts
2/20/2015 10:54 am
Something disturbing was written on my blog today


It's ironic that someone chose today to write something disturbing on one of my blog posts. I was considering writing a post about the fact that someone had said that telling I'm an erotica author was controversial. I was going to say that as long as it brings out different points of views, having issues that we don't agree about is healthy. Do we only want replies saying yes and agreeing with us, even when they actually don't think we're right? Some might want that but I want members to "Speak Your Mind", as the title of my blog states.

Today I got a comment from a member that greatly disturbed me. I had asked for first names in one of my posts and he answered and included the words "nice Swastika" in it. To me, that's an oxymoron. Nice and Swastika are two words that are opposites and don't belong together. In addition, Swastika is a hurtful symbol and one that in my eyes is a hateful word. At first I replied and then decided to delete the comment. As I said in previous posts, promoting hatred is something I choose not to have on my blog.

There is a difference between controversial topics, issues that should be debated, and saying hateful things. I've read some clearly racist remarks on this site that surprised me and disappointed me.

Elaine Shuel


shuel2002 65F
5537 posts
2/20/2015 12:43 pm

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Maisie, at first I left it up for that very reason. It really bothered me seeing those words up, without it clear that I disagreed with it being there. I wasn't sure everyone would read my response. I do leave comments that I disagree with but something that disturbing I felt I should remove. Next time, should there be a next time, I might leave it for the reason you wrote.

Elaine Shuel


shuel2002 65F
5537 posts
2/20/2015 12:45 pm

    Quoting Patches2014:
    Sounds like something Rentier would say-- because he pushes buttons whenever he can-- not saying it's him-- but none the less it's a bizarre comment
You are correct Diane and perhaps in Germany it is acceptable to say that, but to me, I can only see it one way.

Elaine Shuel


Nileyears 71F
4208 posts
2/20/2015 2:16 pm

The Swastika came 5,000 years before Nazi Germany used the symbol, The word swastika comes from the Sanskrit svastika, which means “good fortune” or “well-being." It is actually a sacred symbol in India. Such a sad thing that an evil man can make something meant to be good, into something bad.


shuel2002 65F
5537 posts
2/20/2015 2:41 pm

    Quoting  :

Thanks for saying that, MySeek2day.

Elaine Shuel


shuel2002 65F
5537 posts
2/20/2015 2:44 pm

    Quoting  :

Of course you're correct, Pat.

For the record, I didn't ban him. I just deleted the comment.

Elaine Shuel


shuel2002 65F
5537 posts
2/20/2015 2:45 pm

    Quoting  :

There are some Carolina but I think most are quite nice.

Elaine Shuel


shuel2002 65F
5537 posts
2/20/2015 2:47 pm

    Quoting Nileyears:
    The Swastika came 5,000 years before Nazi Germany used the symbol, The word swastika comes from the Sanskrit svastika, which means “good fortune” or “well-being." It is actually a sacred symbol in India. Such a sad thing that an evil man can make something meant to be good, into something bad.
Thanks for that background information, Nile. Nice to see your comment on my blog.

I agree that it is sad but unfortunately it will always represent those unthinkable things that happened.

Elaine Shuel


Rocketship 79F
18558 posts
2/20/2015 3:30 pm

Yes, I agree with Nileyears. That symbol was corrupted by evil men.... Grrrr.

Even in Germany since WWII, the swastika is reviled.


spiritwoman45

2/20/2015 4:57 pm

"speaking your mind" always opens the door to controversy. Each bit of information we disclose or statement we make opens us to negative responses. I agree with you about deleting things that violate your boundaries. I do the same. We are in no way obligated to accept anything from others or to promote behavior we find offensive.Boundaries and acceptance are highly personal and we never know when what seems appropriate to us will offend and / or set someone off on tantrum.

Nile is correct about the history of the Swastika. It means something entirely different in my belief system but I avoid using it unless I know am among those who share it's meaning.

Personally I manage to piss enough people off just by existing so I do my best to avoid anything I know will be controversial unless I am among friends who will not be offended. Doesn't always work though.


Spiritwoman ^i^


shuel2002 65F
5537 posts
2/20/2015 6:56 pm

    Quoting Rocketship:
    Yes, I agree with Nileyears. That symbol was corrupted by evil men.... Grrrr.

    Even in Germany since WWII, the swastika is reviled.
Thanks Rocket. I couldn't figure out why he would say something like that.

Elaine Shuel


shuel2002 65F
5537 posts
2/20/2015 6:57 pm

    Quoting Patches2014:
    Rent knew exactly what he was doing when he put that up-- he's just an extremely off the wall person!!
That's sad, Diane. He obviously wanted to stir things up.

Elaine Shuel


shuel2002 65F
5537 posts
2/20/2015 6:59 pm

    Quoting lulugravy:
    I have been known to delete disturbing comments as a knee-jerk reaction.....I just want it to disappear......then regret it.......darn creepers!
For me, I felt uncomfortable having those words on my blog, as if I agreed with what was said. I will think twice before deleting something again. I can't promise I won't but we'll see.

Elaine Shuel


shuel2002 65F
5537 posts
2/20/2015 7:04 pm

    Quoting spiritwoman45:
    "speaking your mind" always opens the door to controversy. Each bit of information we disclose or statement we make opens us to negative responses. I agree with you about deleting things that violate your boundaries. I do the same. We are in no way obligated to accept anything from others or to promote behavior we find offensive.Boundaries and acceptance are highly personal and we never know when what seems appropriate to us will offend and / or set someone off on tantrum.

    Nile is correct about the history of the Swastika. It means something entirely different in my belief system but I avoid using it unless I know am among those who share it's meaning.

    Personally I manage to piss enough people off just by existing so I do my best to avoid anything I know will be controversial unless I am among friends who will not be offended. Doesn't always work though.
I don't really want to upset anyone either, Spirit. I just want to feel free to be myself. I also enjoy healthy debating on subjects.

I agree with your approach regarding talking about something that could really touch a nerve with some people. Anything that could be perceived as racist, as in this case, is best left unsaid. You are wise enough to know that but I guess some people are not. Of course, I would hope that those racist thoughts wouldn't even occur to anyone to begin with.

Elaine Shuel


shuel2002 65F
5537 posts
2/20/2015 7:08 pm

    Quoting  :

Thanks for your support, Bill, and the support of all that answered. I would like to think that perhaps rentier1 thought of it as a good luck symbol but that's a stretch. I can't imagine anyone alive today that is unaware of its negative significance.

Elaine Shuel


shuel2002 65F
5537 posts
2/20/2015 7:11 pm

    Quoting  :

Thanks Rose. I can't imagine why he wrote what he did but he obviously wanted to make an impact. He did upset me, but the fact that everyone who wrote saw that what he said was inappropriate, makes me feel like overall this is a great group of people. One bad apple doesn't spoil the whole bunch.

Elaine Shuel


shuel2002 65F
5537 posts
2/21/2015 1:23 pm

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I agree with you, Lyn. There are some wonderful people here. There are others that are not so great. I guess that's to be expected. I'm glad you met Ray here. You seem very happy.

Have a great weekend.

Elaine Shuel


shuel2002 65F
5537 posts
2/22/2015 12:26 pm

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Lyn was correct and so are you, earthytaurus3. Lyn is definitely one of the nicest people I've met here and she deserves the best.

Elaine Shuel


Rentier1

2/22/2015 3:24 pm

    Quoting shuel2002:
    You are correct Diane and perhaps in Germany it is acceptable to say that, but to me, I can only see it one way.
In fact it's far less acceptable in Germany than it is here.

As someone who was born under the Nazi boot of an ethnic group just above Gypsies and Jews on the extermination ladder, I feel I am entitled to say anything I like about them.

Besides, it happens to be true.

It simply astounds me that someone would be offended by this small exercise in irony.

Is dark humour no longer acceptable?


Rentier1

2/22/2015 3:25 pm

    Quoting  :

Perhaps you could expand that thought.


Rentier1

2/22/2015 3:27 pm

    Quoting shuel2002:
    Of course you're correct, Pat.

    For the record, I didn't ban him. I just deleted the comment.
I don't ban anyone either.

And I rarely delete comments since I see no reason to stop people from making fools of themselves.


Rentier1

2/22/2015 3:28 pm

    Quoting Patches2014:
    Rent knew exactly what he was doing when he put that up-- he's just an extremely off the wall person!!
Actually, I didn't.

I thought I was simply being mildly ironic.

If I had known the reaction would be like this I would have been far more off the wall.


Rentier1

2/22/2015 3:29 pm

    Quoting shuel2002:
    That's sad, Diane. He obviously wanted to stir things up.
Nope.

I had no idea this would happen.


Rentier1

2/22/2015 3:36 pm

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I agree.

She should have left it up.

I doubt it would shock you since you seem to understand my sense of humour better than most.

The problem with the deletion is that the people who didn't see it and are commenting really don't see the context.

All they know is that there was a reference to nice swastikas.

Those two words out of context are quite misleading.

The intellectual vacuity of the general SFF population reveals itself once more for all to behold.


Rentier1

2/22/2015 5:05 pm

Perhaps all those of a sensitive nature should list the topics they are touchy about at the beginning of their blogs.

That way I could avoid offending people.


Rentier1

2/22/2015 6:10 pm

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Why would you say I am not a Canadian?

I hold a Queen's Commission, madam.

Her majesty does not issue those to foreigners.