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Blogs > shuel2002 > Speak Your Mind


Rentier1

2/22/2015 6:14 pm
    Quoting shuel2002:
    I agree with you, Lyn. There are some wonderful people here. There are others that are not so great. I guess that's to be expected. I'm glad you met Ray here. You seem very happy.

    Have a great weekend.
I certainly agree with your second sentence.

The stuff posted here about Obama reeks of racism.

I'm no big fan of Obama, but the charges leveled at him here indicate clearly that racism lingers not far below the surface in The Greatest Nation On Earth.


shuel2002 65F
5537 posts
2/22/2015 9:39 pm
    Quoting Rentier1:
    In fact it's far less acceptable in Germany than it is here.

    As someone who was born under the Nazi boot of an ethnic group just above Gypsies and Jews on the extermination ladder, I feel I am entitled to say anything I like about them.

    Besides, it happens to be true.

    It simply astounds me that someone would be offended by this small exercise in irony.

    Is dark humour no longer acceptable?
Rentier1, you can say anything you like on YOUR blog. On my blog, I don't like racist remarks. To me, there is nothing remotely funny about the words "nice swastakis" in any context.
Elaine Shuel


shuel2002 65F
5537 posts
2/22/2015 9:40 pm
    Quoting Rentier1:
    I don't ban anyone either.

    And I rarely delete comments since I see no reason to stop people from making fools of themselves.
I was very uncomfortable with your remark. Perhaps I should have left it there but it bothered me.
Elaine Shuel


shuel2002 65F
5537 posts
2/22/2015 9:44 pm
    Quoting Rentier1:
    Nope.

    I had no idea this would happen.
My blog post was to ask people to tell their first names. I thought it would be nicer to address people that way when responding to a comment. I didn't do it to have someone say they were born in Germany (nothing wrong with that, of course) but then adding that it was listed with a nice swastika stamp. How can you not realize that would offend many people?
Elaine Shuel


shuel2002 65F
5537 posts
2/22/2015 9:46 pm
    Quoting Rentier1:
    I agree.

    She should have left it up.

    I doubt it would shock you since you seem to understand my sense of humour better than most.

    The problem with the deletion is that the people who didn't see it and are commenting really don't see the context.

    All they know is that there was a reference to nice swastikas.

    Those two words out of context are quite misleading.

    The intellectual vacuity of the general SFF population reveals itself once more for all to behold.
I think I said it in the correct context. You said you were born in Germany and that with a nice swastika stamp (I assume you meant on your birth certificate) your name is (it was too long to remember).
Elaine Shuel


shuel2002 65F
5537 posts
2/22/2015 9:48 pm
    Quoting Rentier1:
    Perhaps all those of a sensitive nature should list the topics they are touchy about at the beginning of their blogs.

    That way I could avoid offending people.
I think anyone with common sense would know what is considered racist and would avoid any such comments. I would actually hope they don't have racist thoughts to begin with but that's wishful thinking.
Elaine Shuel


shuel2002 65F
5537 posts
2/22/2015 9:49 pm
    Quoting Rentier1:
    I certainly agree with your second sentence.

    The stuff posted here about Obama reeks of racism.

    I'm no big fan of Obama, but the charges leveled at him here indicate clearly that racism lingers not far below the surface in The Greatest Nation On Earth.
I can't comment on political issues in the USA. I'm a Canadian and I'm far from political.

I hope that others respond to what you wrote about their comments. I don't want to talk for them.
Elaine Shuel


shuel2002 65F
5537 posts
2/22/2015 9:57 pm
    Quoting Rentier1:
    In fact it's far less acceptable in Germany than it is here.

    As someone who was born under the Nazi boot of an ethnic group just above Gypsies and Jews on the extermination ladder, I feel I am entitled to say anything I like about them.

    Besides, it happens to be true.

    It simply astounds me that someone would be offended by this small exercise in irony.

    Is dark humour no longer acceptable?
What happens to be true?

There are some things that one shouldn't joke about. I wouldn't make a racist remark and then say.... just kidding. Some comments are hurtful. We don't share the same life experiences and it's best not to assume that someone would just laugh it off.
Elaine Shuel


Rentier1

2/24/2015 6:05 am
    Quoting shuel2002:
    I think I said it in the correct context. You said you were born in Germany and that with a nice swastika stamp (I assume you meant on your birth certificate) your name is (it was too long to remember).
I never said I was born in Germany.
In fact, I deny being born in Germany.

I suppose a legalistic argument could be made that I was born in Germany, but it would likely only ever be made by a Nazi lawyer.


Rentier1

2/24/2015 6:07 am
    Quoting shuel2002:
    Rentier1, you can say anything you like on YOUR blog. On my blog, I don't like racist remarks. To me, there is nothing remotely funny about the words "nice swastakis" in any context.
In that case, be thankful that I didn't put in the name of the street where I was born as it appears on that birth certificate.

That would really have gotten your knickers in a twist.


Rentier1

2/24/2015 6:12 am
    Quoting  :
You can probably check with National Defence HQ in Ottawa about my Queen's Commission. They might confirm it.

Or I could send you a photo of it, I suppose.

When did people not born in Canada stop being Canadians?
If that's true, you better notify the passport office since they still seem to be issuing Canadian passports in such cases.

I would never claim to be Mickey Mouse.

Howdy Doody, maybe.


Rentier1

2/24/2015 6:15 am
    Quoting shuel2002:
    Rentier1, you can say anything you like on YOUR blog. On my blog, I don't like racist remarks. To me, there is nothing remotely funny about the words "nice swastakis" in any context.
Really?

May I assume you were equally outraged over 'The Producers'?


Rentier1

2/24/2015 6:18 am

 I'm really enjoying this.

This is great fun.

I especially like the comments from people who didn't see the original post.

Pontification from a platform of ignorance is always good for a giggle.


shuel2002 65F
5537 posts
2/24/2015 10:53 am
    Quoting Rentier1:
    I never said I was born in Germany.
    In fact, I deny being born in Germany.

    I suppose a legalistic argument could be made that I was born in Germany, but it would likely only ever be made by a Nazi lawyer.
How about you repeating the words you used? It was only 1 line and I believe on this site it would list by your blog, the comments you made.

I didn't memorize it but you said German or Germany and that it had a nice Swastika stamp. You then said your full name.
Elaine Shuel


shuel2002 65F
5537 posts
2/24/2015 11:06 am
    Quoting Rentier1:
    In that case, be thankful that I didn't put in the name of the street where I was born as it appears on that birth certificate.

    That would really have gotten your knickers in a twist.
It's all about common sense. Every religion has its own special symbols. It's fine to refer to one as "nice" IF it didn't later become a symbol for hatred.

I spoke to a friend about what happened and he told me a story. He's a year younger than I am. When he was a kid, he went to a mosque. He had already learned by something he was given as a child, that a swastika was part of the Indian religion. He asked why there were no swastikas in the mosque. The answer he was given is that their ancient mosque built in the 1920s HAD swastikas all over the floor, part of the design. The one built after the war DIDN'T have any swastikas at all. The person said to him, WHY have something that was a symbol that had become so negative put in their mosque, when there were so many OTHER symbols they could and did use.

The point I'm making is YOU chose to use those words to upset me or those reading my blog. You knew that those words would offend some people.
Elaine Shuel


shuel2002 65F
5537 posts
2/24/2015 11:10 am
    Quoting Rentier1:
    Really?

    May I assume you were equally outraged over 'The Producers'?
The difference is that Mel Brooks is Jewish. It's similar to me saying something about my family or friend that isn't flattering BUT if someone else does it, it's not fine. Those who watch Mel Brooks's movies, know he pokes fun at things.
Elaine Shuel


shuel2002 65F
5537 posts
2/24/2015 11:13 am
    Quoting Rentier1:
    I'm really enjoying this.

    This is great fun.

    I especially like the comments from people who didn't see the original post.

    Pontification from a platform of ignorance is always good for a giggle.
I would be very glad for you to put your original message back on this post. I know one of the commenters said she saw the original.

Are you denying you said that it was with a nice swastika stamp?
Elaine Shuel


Rentier1

2/24/2015 6:25 pm
    Quoting shuel2002:
    How about you repeating the words you used? It was only 1 line and I believe on this site it would list by your blog, the comments you made.

    I didn't memorize it but you said German or Germany and that it had a nice Swastika stamp. You then said your full name.
Nope.

Upon reflection it was a bad idea to put my name out there.

I said that my birth certificate was in German, not that I was born in Germany.


Rentier1

2/24/2015 6:49 pm
    Quoting shuel2002:
    The difference is that Mel Brooks is Jewish. It's similar to me saying something about my family or friend that isn't flattering BUT if someone else does it, it's not fine. Those who watch Mel Brooks's movies, know he pokes fun at things.
Mel Brooks never lived under a Nazi regime.

I did, so I think I have as much right, if not more, to make fun of them.


Rentier1

2/24/2015 6:51 pm
    Quoting shuel2002:
    I would be very glad for you to put your original message back on this post. I know one of the commenters said she saw the original.

    Are you denying you said that it was with a nice swastika stamp?
Nope.
I wouldn't want to risk offending you yet again.

I am not denying that the words 'nice swastika' appeared there.


shuel2002 65F
5537 posts
2/24/2015 7:36 pm
    Quoting Rentier1:
    Nope.

    Upon reflection it was a bad idea to put my name out there.

    I said that my birth certificate was in German, not that I was born in Germany.
Fine, I didn't memorize what you wrote and the German/Germany part didn't have anything to do with what was upsetting. The point is that I asked a simple thing, for first names only. If you were making fun of Nazis, this wasn't the appropriate place to do so. To me, it sounded like you were for the Nazis and at the very least, were out to upset people.
Elaine Shuel


shuel2002 65F
5537 posts
2/24/2015 7:41 pm
    Quoting Rentier1:
    Mel Brooks never lived under a Nazi regime.

    I did, so I think I have as much right, if not more, to make fun of them.
Honestly, I didn't really like the movie "The Producers". I found it offensive for different reasons.

You can make fun of them or anyone on your blog, as long as its not considered promoting hatred. I think part of the problem was that, what you wrote wasn't clear that you were against what happened with the Nazis. it sounded like you were a Nazi sympathizer.
Elaine Shuel


shuel2002 65F
5537 posts
2/24/2015 7:43 pm
    Quoting Rentier1:
    Nope.
    I wouldn't want to risk offending you yet again.

    I am not denying that the words 'nice swastika' appeared there.
I'm glad that you won't deny that you wrote nice swastika. I would be fine with you putting it back on, on this blog post. That way, everyone would see that I didn't take what you said out of context.
Elaine Shuel


Rentier1

2/26/2015 9:52 am
    Quoting shuel2002:
    I'm glad that you won't deny that you wrote nice swastika. I would be fine with you putting it back on, on this blog post. That way, everyone would see that I didn't take what you said out of context.
Well, here's the problem.

Apparently others were upset by your report of my comments as well.

So before I would consider reposting it, you would have to get the approval of all those others who had been offended.

And even if you did that, I would still be reluctant because there are others who didn't post a comment or didn't read this blog who might be offended.

Now that I understand how hate-filled my remark was I wouldn't under any circumstances risk a repetition of this imbroglio, no matter how much I have enjoyed it.


shuel2002 65F
5537 posts
2/26/2015 1:27 pm
    Quoting Rentier1:
    Well, here's the problem.

    Apparently others were upset by your report of my comments as well.

    So before I would consider reposting it, you would have to get the approval of all those others who had been offended.

    And even if you did that, I would still be reluctant because there are others who didn't post a comment or didn't read this blog who might be offended.

    Now that I understand how hate-filled my remark was I wouldn't under any circumstances risk a repetition of this imbroglio, no matter how much I have enjoyed it.
That's certainly your choice, Rentier1. I really hope one good thing comes of this. I hope that before you write something that could be so hurtful, you'll think twice. That may be wishful thinking on my part but I'd really like to believe you didn't purposely try to offend I wasn't aware of the history of the swastika so there is a chance that you didn't say it in the negative way it was taken.
Elaine Shuel




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