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Beth1949 75F
3166 posts
12/2/2016 8:49 am

Last Read:
5/23/2018 3:16 am

WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHT ON ABORTION

Today, the theme of my blog is about something heartbreaking, that concerns all of us. Because it might or may happen to any of our family members, friends, anyone known or unknown to us even. But it is eventually a sad event. Therefore, I have chosen to post my present blog on "ABORTION". Abortion which is really touchy, a fatality, an act of stopping the development of living body inside the mother's womb. To my own opinion, abortion is equal to murder. Though there are special cases where the parents are obliged or forced to do it for a certain reason, just if the baby/fetus may have a certain defect in its growth, or any medical problems, which may render it handicapped or even stillbirth, the specialist Dr, advice to have it done BUT for any normal pregnancy, which is still going well in the womb of the mother, WHAT is the need to abort the baby?? Why hadn't the parents taken all precaution before, by using the medical method to avoid pregnancy?? After the pregnancy's confirmed and going well, why do they chose abortion?? None can say they aren't aware of the probable result after sexual intercourse!! Specially if the pair isn't sterile and didn't take any precaution!!. It's crazy!! Whatever maybe their status, their financial situation, their culture or religion, their family influence and so on, ABORTION is a disgrace, even done secretly, it's an act of murder, which can never be relieved from one's mind forever. " The conscious retains all of one's deeds and won't erase it".

There are many ways for after the birth for those unwanted babies, there is ADOPTION, CONVENT, RELIGIOUS HOMES, and most of all PEOPLE WHO ARE EAGERLY LOOKING FOR BABIES TO BRING THEM UP AS ONE'S OWN . So, ABORTION is never the only solution. IT IS JUST A HEARTLESS DREADFUL ACT ACT FOR THOSE WHO FIND IT AS THE SOLE SOLUTION. MURDER CAN BE BY ANY MEANS, BY HARMFUL WEAPONS AND BY ABORTION INSTRUMENTS AND TOOLS.

Here is a baby's view on ABORTION.

"You shouldn't worry now Mommy, I'm safe. I'm in heaven with the angels now. They love me, cuddle me, smile and talk to me. They told me what you did, and they said it's called an abortion. Why, Mommy? Why did you do it? Don't you love me any more? Why did you get rid of me? I'm really sorry if I did something wrong to you. I love you, Mommy! I love you with all of my heart. Why didn't you love me? What did I do to deserve what they did to me? I wanted to live, Mommy! It really hurts to see you didn't care about me and wanted me to die. Didn't I love you enough? Please, why did you do that harm to me Mommy! I wanted to live, to smile and to watch the clouds, to see your face, to touch you and to kiss you and to grow up as your baby, your , mommy. But you had chosen to kill me before you even my small face, I am now happy with the angels, they don't hurt me, they love me. I pray God to forgive you for what you have done to me mommy, I still love you and I will miss you forever, my real mommy".

Thank you for your read, for your feelings and for your perception on such cases. Please, kindly share your views on it. Thanks again.
I wish all of you a wonderful weekend with all of yours.
Lisa,












Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/2/2016 9:00 am

It really pains me thinking and viewing the dreadful acts of abortion, as these above photos describe it. I wouldn't have heart doing it. .


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/2/2016 10:26 am

Fossil hi,

I appreciate very much your point of view on this subject which a crucial one, concerning the life of unborn babies. It really disgusts me, each time I read of one doing abortion. I feel for that unborn, who is innocent and didn't ask to be conceived. I always ask myself how these women can have the heart to do such murder while knowing already that it is it. Thanks again Fossil.
I wish you and your wife a very happy weekend.
Lisa,


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/2/2016 10:31 am

Bigblock hi and welcome to my blog,

It's my great pleasure welcoming you for the first time on this blog of mine, Bigblock and am so delighted for your kind participation on such a topic. You are so right, it's a murder as I myself call it and moreover it's so dreadful for a mother to do it while her pregnancy is normal. Well, such person shouldn't be considered as a mother really. Thanks again Bigblock, i hope reading from you again on my blog. Have a nice weekend with all of yours. My kind regards to all of you.
Lisa,


spiritwoman45

12/2/2016 10:41 am

Definitely not something I would have ever considered for myself but I will always respect and even protect to the best of my ability each individual's rights and abilities to decide for themselves. The best way to prevent abortion is to educate our daughters and granddaughters about it and support them should they experience an unplanned pregnancy.

Spiritwoman ^i^


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/2/2016 10:44 am

Deborahsu dear, hi,

You are warmly welcome on my blogs Deborah and am so happy reading from you on this subject. I congratulate your niece, a beautiful heartfelt mother as she was so right not to accept that silly abortion at that time. I imagine that the Dr, was completely wrong in her case And I wonder if she would have accepted to abort that innocent child, how would she be feeling after!! A deep regret on her conscious would it has been, Deborah and a painful memory which she wouldn't be able to rid off. Though, ourselves on this site now, we cannot expect any pregnancy at our age but may this blog open up the eyes of the younger ones and may they think twice before deciding such awful act. Thanks again Deborah for your input, I appreciate it so much. Have a wonderful weekend and always praise your kind niece for her remarkable decision. God bless you all of you.
Lisa,


bijou624

12/2/2016 10:49 am

Hi Lisa: Informative blog and pics. I agree with Skariff. I can see both sides of the issue, but there are many reasons (physical, mental, emotional, age, financial, r*pe, etc etc) that a woman may not want to or be able to put a hold on her life and carry a fetus for nine months, go through labour, or take care of another human being for a couple of decades.

To me an unwanted pregnancy is a very difficult life changing decision for the woman, and must be made only by the woman and her doctor. Every case is different.


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/2/2016 11:01 am

Skariff hi and welcome,

Am so pleased reading from you on this blog of mine. you are most welcome Skariff and I appreciate your opinion and your entire comments on here. I have read you them with keen attention and I would say that you are perfectly right on your explained point of view as above. There should be a decree for all those in expectant mothers and also a Counselor to attend to them. I believe there should be such person in a position to do it right in your country, just as we have those here in mine. Maybe these would help reducing abortion. Thanks again Skariff, I do appreciate your kind visit as well. Hope reading from you again in the future. Kind regards. Have a wonderful weekend with all your family.
Lisa,


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/2/2016 11:27 am

Spiritwoman hi and welcome back,

I am delighted for your visit as since long I hadn't read from you. It's really a nice topic to debate on. And each one has his right too. Of course, we as elders, we do our best to protect our kin,, we also advice them too. Abortion is just a murder Spirit, except when the baby is in a real danger for his growth in the womb of the mother, if he has really a certain medical incurable problem which should be well defined and confirmed by Drs, then I would say and agree that it is their right but not for such drastic decision to abort a well growing baby in the womb. Some of the Drs, may have a wrong diagnostic also, it may happen. But to take it just as the right for the mother to do anything with an innocent unborn baby who didn't even ask to be conceived, who doesn't know what is happening and being planned already for his life, this is unfortunately not the right of the mother. These mothers are not deciding for themselves only but they are also deciding for a life which cannot protect himself against such decision. An innocent life which cannot defend himself too. The baby also has its right eventually. These mothers should be educated on planning a pregnancy and to understand that the unborn baby has also its right just as any human being. Thanks Spirit for your thoughts, I wish you and all of yours a pleasant weekend.
Lisa,


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
12/2/2016 11:35 am

No matter what pro-life people say.

almost everyone is anti-abortion.

For me, I first understand that no one will ever make a law that will force me to approve or having an abortion.

As I see myself, there are difficult but acceptable reasons for a person to have an abortion, For example the life of the mother, or incest or sexual assault and too a lesser degree even the health of the fetus. These COULD all be acceptable reasons for me to consider an abortion.

Those reasons are my choice. The question becomes is MY choice the only acceptable choices for everyone, and will Laws prevent my acceptable choices.

The two reason I am pro-choice. First to protect my own personal choices, and second to not assume that My personal choices are the only ones. I credit almost all people with difficulty of such a decision, and as such respect almost all people enough to allow them their choice, as I would want other people to respect my choice.


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/2/2016 11:53 am

Bijou dear, hi,

Am so glad as usual for your visit and your but comments which I thank you so much for. I would still stress on:
A-- If the unborn baby has a severe incurable medical problem and would be at rick in the woman's womb, then she may decide with her Dr's advice on conformation of the case, to abort the baby.
B-- As for Physical, mental, financial or r**pe issues, once if the baby is healthy, she can still carry the pregnancy to term, then Dr's have their own ways to help her delivering the baby. After which the mother or parents can decide either to keep the child or to give him for adoption according to their situation. But why doing an abortion in these cases when there are other solution to consider ? All these issues in B, doesn't give the mother the right to abort her baby because the baby also has his right too!! After all, the woman should know the consequences of conceiving a child at first.
Even in a case of r**pe, the baby has his right to live, then after his birth his parents can decide for his future by other solution except abortion. An unwanted pregnancy should be well thought about beforehand. Thank you again Bijou and have a nice weekend with all your family.
Lisa,


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
12/2/2016 11:57 am

    Quoting spiritwoman45:
    Definitely not something I would have ever considered for myself but I will always respect and even protect to the best of my ability each individual's rights and abilities to decide for themselves. The best way to prevent abortion is to educate our daughters and granddaughters about it and support them should they experience an unplanned pregnancy.
very good answer


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
12/2/2016 12:10 pm

    Quoting Fossil_Fetcher:
    Do you also respect the rights of the unborn child being torn apart in the images above?

    And Bijou, you think it is a decision to be made between a woman and her doctor/ Shouldn't the father be in the discussion at some point?

    Fossil

" Shouldn't the father be in the discussion at some point?"

I certainly agree, but I do have problem with your other statements and then YOU saying it, like it really matters

The will of the father is certainly important. But what if that will, is different than yours? Does he have the right then.

Do you consider yourself as the father of all children?
A farther in regards to decisions but not responsibility?


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/2/2016 12:23 pm

Jimmy, hi and welcome,

Thank you for your visit and comments. As I have stated in my above responses, everyone has his/her right but doesn't the unborn innocent and a healthy growing baby has its right too? If we grown up people have our right, why not the baby? Doesn't his life have any importance just as ours? Thank you again Jimmy, I wish you a pleasant weekend. Kind regards.
Lisa,


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/2/2016 12:36 pm

Jimmy hi again,

Another of my perception, it is not only my own consideration but I do believe that abortion is a everyone's concern, it is a general self opinion or choice. But doesn't the unborn baby has his right also to decide for his life? Or is it because he has been conceived not by his own will or choice but by the unthoughtful parents?


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
12/2/2016 12:38 pm

    Quoting Beth1949:
    Bijou dear, hi,

    Am so glad as usual for your visit and your but comments which I thank you so much for. I would still stress on:
    A-- If the unborn baby has a severe incurable medical problem and would be at rick in the woman's womb, then she may decide with her Dr's advice on conformation of the case, to abort the baby.
    B-- As for Physical, mental, financial or r**pe issues, once if the baby is healthy, she can still carry the pregnancy to term, then Dr's have their own ways to help her delivering the baby. After which the mother or parents can decide either to keep the child or to give him for adoption according to their situation. But why doing an abortion in these cases when there are other solution to consider ? All these issues in B, doesn't give the mother the right to abort her baby because the baby also has his right too!! After all, the woman should know the consequences of conceiving a child at first.
    Even in a case of r**pe, the baby has his right to live, then after his birth his parents can decide for his future by other solution except abortion. An unwanted pregnancy should be well thought about beforehand. Thank you again Bijou and have a nice weekend with all your family.
    Lisa,


I respect you opinion greatly.

I respect all pro-lifers, who are consistent in their beliefs.
Your ideas in regard, to r*pe, is the only acceptable position a pro-life person can have.
I am not pro-life, not because I fault that decision, I just disagree with it for me.

In my opinion any so-called pro-life person who would consider it acceptable to have an abortion because of r*pe, are not really pro-life.

I have asked many pro-life men if their daughter was r*ped, would they consider an abortion acceptable. I think when confronted with that issue they see the amount of self sacrifice and the sacrifice their loved ones have to make as overwhelming, compared to the life of the baby. I found most of them not to be pro-life.


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/2/2016 12:53 pm

Skariff hi again,

Just a clarification, I am not an activist but I just wwnatd a blog on abortion and stated my opinion on the matter. I would add here that the couple who made the child did not also think of the consequences during or after the conception.
If the couple themselves did not care, would the Drs care about the abortion, as long as they are paid for it? What would happen to the new life should have really been considered and thought of by the couple first of all!!. But not just get rid of the poor baby by abortion which seems to be their only solution!!


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
12/2/2016 1:05 pm

    Quoting Beth1949:
    Jimmy hi again,

    Another of my perception, it is not only my own consideration but I do believe that abortion is a everyone's concern, it is a general self opinion or choice. But doesn't the unborn baby has his right also to decide for his life? Or is it because he has been conceived not by his own will or choice but by the unthoughtful parents?
Hi again,

There some other issues that are inconsistent logic, not from you, but others who claim to agree with you.

There are birth control issue, that are inconsistent with your position.

The issue of unthoughtful parents. As a criteria, it doesn't fit. How many unthoughtful parents do give birth and have a child? Being a thoughtful parent is not the criteria against abortion.

There are way too many abortion, we can agree to that. There are selfish thoughtless people all around. The criteria of abortion for them is to get away and be selfish and thoughtless. Having a child for those kind of people must be weighed, as the parents problem is so significant, I doubt, their "problem" would just be left at the adoption center. No matter what, at term, they would still have control.

Sometimes we just got to let, the bad do the bad, or even the good do the bad. All we actually can do is be good and do good, and praise those who join us.


GavinLS2 69M
1525 posts
12/2/2016 4:33 pm

Given a choice between being born into poverty while the government cuts off any welfare or other government assistance for my upbringing, ,,,,,,,,, OR, ,,,,, being aborted?

Fortunately that question was never posed to me at the time, but I'm certain I'd still choose a life of poverty over death.

I'd choose life as a cripple over death too. And I don't recall ever being asked, but I think many of you folks who know me would agree that I must have chosen life with a mental handicap. But if that's not why I am the way I am, I'd still choose life mentally handicapped over death.

Death never made a baby healthy, rich, or smart, so I'm disinclined to see how abortion can solve any of those problems.

So I think the fetus should get a choice. After all, it's not their fault someone is in a difficult predicament. No future child still in the womb asked to be conceived, but since they are alive through no fault of their own, NOBODY should have the right to murder them.

GBU all,

Gavin


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
12/2/2016 5:37 pm

There are so many other issue where the premises here apply, that no one deals with, with the same vigor. In fact the hypocrisy of so called pro-life people, is evident even here. oh heck especially here. (Beth I am not including you, but virtually everyone else here, who supports you)

Think about it...

capital punishment
collateral damage from wars.
famine,
natural disasters,
exposure,
toxicity
even healthcare, healthcare applies just as much.

let's not even bring up the potential from global warming,

it all too easy for these people, when they are not on the line, when they don't have to go out of their way, When they just get to be decision makers and not doers.

We let people die........ oh too bad you say, that's the way it is..


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/2/2016 11:18 pm

Hi again Fossil,

Thank you so much for your second post in response to Bijou. I am not a one side but I opine that the father should have his say or opinion too, he should be also involved in such discussion also and his opinion should also be considered. It's not only a mother's choice, unless in other cases where the father has disappeared in the nature. But between a natural couple, the father should be involved in such decision for sure. It's my own opinion of course.
Lisa,


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/2/2016 11:34 pm

Karin dear hi,

Am glad for your participation in the debate on the abortion case. And in reply to Skariff. Your input has enlarged our knowledge and different opinion which I respect, on the matter. Thanks again dear Karin. Have a happy weekend with all of yours. My kind regards.
Lisa,


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/3/2016 12:47 am

Jimmy hi once more,

I think that the father should have his say of course, if both agree for to have it done, it's their own choice but not considered their own right only. What about if the mother is for it and the father is against? Thanks for your input Jimmy.
Lisa,


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/3/2016 12:51 am

Karin dear,

You are right , our children and grand should be educated well ahead, so that they are aware of the implications involved in it. Thanks again dear.
Lisa,


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/3/2016 12:57 am

Again Karin dear,

I have above mentioned such cases also. And it's not of course a matter of the woman with only her Dr. even if the child has been conceived in a r**pe case, once he is healthy and has no medical issues, he has the right to live as he didn't ask to be neither conceived nor to be aborted. My own opinion for sure.
Lisa,


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/3/2016 1:00 am

Fossil lol,

I do appreciate greatly you input and your factual opinion as well as I respect others too. Thank you again for your reasons.
Lisa,


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/3/2016 1:07 am

Jimmy hi again,

Thank you so much for considering my own point of view in every case of this subject. I do consider yours as well. And am so pleased there is no friction, but all through, there has been respect and consideration between one another.
thank you again. The debate has gone and is going very peacefully, I applaud each and every readers behavior on my blog, Very many thanks again.
Lisa,


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/3/2016 1:15 am

Fossil lol,

Thanks again for your post. Each may have his/her own opinion which I respect as well. Thank lol fossil, have a pleasant weekend with your family.
Lisa,


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/3/2016 1:20 am

Fossil lol,

I believe Jimmy understands well that you aren't the father of those aborted babies but you have the right to express your own opinion for sure, just as everyone on here. And it isn't offending anyone too. Rest assured of it Fossil.
Enjoy your day and greetings to your wife.
Lisa,


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/3/2016 1:34 am

Hank hi and welcome back on my blog,

I am pleased reading from you again on my blog, You are always welcome, I have no grudge against you and am not a rancor as well. We might have had a certain difference on a subject before but it won't and shouldn't last a life time. We are here for a short time in this life.
I am so happy for your visit and your nice comments on this blog of mine. I have also watched a part of that abortion video but I could NOT continue viewing it, it bothered my mind so much and was like a nightmare for me. You are quite right in your above statement Hank. I do appreciate it very much also. But as we should know that others have his own opinion on this matter and we just have to respect them. But nothing would change my own opinion on abortion. Thank you again Hank. I wish everything to be normal now between us and no animosity at all. Enjoy your weekend Hank.
Hope reading from you again in the future. Kind regards.
Lisa,


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/3/2016 1:39 am

Hank hi again,

Hank thanks for your second post above, but I didn't understand what you mean by " quisk delete I see". I haven't deleted any of your above posts/comments. Plz, kindly clarify it. Thanks.
Lisa,


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/3/2016 2:03 am

Jimmy lol,

I understand you above point of view. We all have our own personal opinion. I respect your as you you do mine too. the whole issue is, one's trying to convince the other according to his own thought or opinion. We may agree on certain maybe not on all. Here continues the game. . We aren't upset of angry with anyone really. This is the beauty of it, lol.
I wish you the most wonderful weekend Jimmy. and thanks once more.
Lisa,


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/3/2016 2:14 am

Leaf hi and welcome to my blog,

Your presence and your wonderful comments have surely pleased me so much, for which I thank you greatly. You seem to have a soft heart just as I do in such cases Leaf. And for sure anyone like us cannot support this fact of abortion, though in special cases, it has to be done on Dr. advice as we know but it's really hard to accept it. Thank you again Leaf, I appreciate your opinion so much. Hope reading from you again in the future. Have a nice weekend.
Lisa,


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/3/2016 2:31 am

Dan hi and good day to you,

Thank you so much for your kind visit and your wonderful comments on this blog of mine. I appreciate your opinion on this matter. And as you see, anyone's opinion whether Pro or Against it, is welcome and respected too. We just express ours and there hasn't been any friction or misbehavior also. This is so beautiful to too. Thanks again Dan. i wish you and your family a lovely weekend. Kind regards,
Lisa,


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/3/2016 2:39 am

Karin hi again dear,

I am so happy reading that your country has the same system of mine here. We do have counselling, health care, Family planning, and Social security too. My country is a Welfare country Karin. Thanks Karin for your input.
Lisa,


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/3/2016 5:12 am

Karin dear,

To my own opinion and as I thought it and mentioned it several times, if the Drs certify and confirm the ill health of any fetus in the womb of his mother and if it is a risk for the bay and the mother, the Dr is the right one to advice on the decision which must be taken. I guess but am not sure if in the US there are special home for the handicap people as we have in my country, it is free of charge for these affected people too. So, no one is obliged to keep such relatives at home and care for them. The Government here does it. There are Drs, nurses and other attendants there for them.
Lisa,


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/3/2016 5:16 am

Fossil lol,

I have read your response to MySeek, I cannot really interfer in it, so it is left for MySeek to reply on that. But I hope no one takes it as an offence anyhow. Thanks Fossil
Lisa,


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/3/2016 5:21 am

Gavin lo, hi and welcome to my blog,

How glad I am reading from you on this blog of mine. I do appreciate your visit and your wonderful comments for which I thank you greatly. Thank you also for your point of view on this matter. You are so right too on what you have stated above. Have a happy weekend Gavin, God bless you.
Lisa,


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/3/2016 5:32 am

Moondoggie, hi and welcome to my blog.

Am greatly happy reading from you for the first time on my blog, specially for your interest in the topic. I understand your feeling Moondoggie, so many of us have the same but even if others have other opinion, we are all glad to debate on it peacefully and we respect others opinion too. What you have stated above you are right too, well if there's any who oppose your sayings, we shouldn't worry or get upset as opinion differs from one another Moondoggie. However I am so glad for your presence on here and for your appreciation of my blog. Hope reading from you again, meanwhile I wish you and all of yours, a very happy weekend. Thanks again.
Lisa,


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/3/2016 5:36 am

Jimmy re-hi again,

It gives me much interest reading each and all your comments posted above. Thank you and surely I understand your points on this subject and I do respect your opinion too. It's a pleasure reading you here, thank you.
Lisa,


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/3/2016 5:38 am

Karin,

Thanks for your correction as above dear. You have made yourself clear and understandable. I appreciate it.
Lisa,


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/3/2016 5:43 am

Skariff hi again,

Referring to your just above post, I just leave it for Fossil to respond to it. As I am unaware of the system in your country. Thanks again Skariff.
Lisa,


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/3/2016 5:59 am

Fossil lol,

I can't remain passive on any post left on here and as above. I read and understand your response to Skariff. I know you have your own point of view stated up there and Skariff as well has his. So, I let you both free to reply to each other but it's interesting to read both your opinions. thank Fossil. I will reiterate my best wishes to you and Skariff and to both your families.
Happy weekend to all of you and thanks so much for your participation on the topic of my above blog. My kind regards to all of you.
Lisa,


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/3/2016 6:08 am

Kurtis lol, hi again,

I never expected while drafting and posting my above blog that it would have this lot of comments, be it personal or general. I am stunned by all the readers posts but most of all I am delighted that all went fairly peaceful and in respect too. There were no aggressive or weird wordings from one another on my above blog. Each one has expressed free his opinion on the topic and am also happy that my present blog has united most of us on here, in peace, in freedom and in respect as well. Thank you again Kurtis, I hope another time and another topic of mine would again join all of us once more in this good atmosphere.
I wish you and all of yours, a wonderful weekend. God bless all of us.
Lisa,


hermitinthecity 70M
1696 posts
12/3/2016 6:40 am

I'm totally against it. It's murder.

Judgment Day will be interesting - and all paths lead there.


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/3/2016 7:05 am

Hermit hello and welcome back,

Am so pleased for your coming back Hermit. I hope everything is ok at your side as you weren't shown on blog land for quite sometime. But happy you came back. Thank you for your visit and your nice comments on my above blog. As I have mentioned in many of responses on here, I am against abortion too but I respect others opinion on it, be it pro or against, all opinion is free on here. I hope reading again from you Hermit. I wish you and all of yours, a very happy weekend. My kind regards,
Lisa,


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
12/3/2016 11:57 am

    Quoting Beth1949:
    Jimmy hi once more,

    I think that the father should have his say of course, if both agree for to have it done, it's their own choice but not considered their own right only. What about if the mother is for it and the father is against? Thanks for your input Jimmy.
    Lisa,

I understand that....

I agree to that.

but let me ask you.

What if the mother is against it, and the father is for an abortion.
Does it carry the same weight?


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/3/2016 12:59 pm

Jimmy hi again,

Nice reading from you again Jimmy, thanks for the comments and the Q as well. I believe if the father accepts an abortion and the mother doesn't, of course the fetus or the baby is in the womb of the mother and it is her from whom the abortion will be done and not on the father!! So, unless the father obliges the mother to do it, then she will be obliged if she accepts it. If she doesn't accept to abort, she may go and report him to the authority concerned.. It does have an influence on the mother from the father's side. It will all depend on her for sure. I hope am enough clear on this now. How the Dr would do the abortion on the father!!??
Thanks again Jimmy and I would like your own reply on it too.
As it is late for me here, after even my midnight now, then tomorrow I'll read then your reply. Have a good day.
Lisa,


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
12/3/2016 5:28 pm

    Quoting Beth1949:
    Jimmy hi again,

    Nice reading from you again Jimmy, thanks for the comments and the Q as well. I believe if the father accepts an abortion and the mother doesn't, of course the fetus or the baby is in the womb of the mother and it is her from whom the abortion will be done and not on the father!! So, unless the father obliges the mother to do it, then she will be obliged if she accepts it. If she doesn't accept to abort, she may go and report him to the authority concerned.. It does have an influence on the mother from the father's side. It will all depend on her for sure. I hope am enough clear on this now. How the Dr would do the abortion on the father!!??
    Thanks again Jimmy and I would like your own reply on it too.
    As it is late for me here, after even my midnight now, then tomorrow I'll read then your reply. Have a good day.
    Lisa,

We are in agreement. I believe this answer is correct.

except I would say the father against abortion and the mother for abortion,
carries the exact same weight.

I'd also say this. There is not a decision that is worse than a disagreement between the father and the mother.. They must agree on any decision, to make it a correct decision. In may be in the mother's court, but if she makes the decision without consideration for the fathers position, she going to bite off more than she can chew. Unless she doesn't know the father, or doesn't care who the father is. But if she does, she can kiss goodbye any chance for that relationship to continue.


Artmany 107F

12/3/2016 9:21 pm

Don't know if you folks realize it, but legally, there are differentiations; and the term "baby" used here is incorrect. And it's an argument that's then consistent with Skariff. Overall, it's easy to generalize. And things are not so black and white; question of culture, religion, law, psychologcal, medical. The matter to consider are all these aspects, preferably together if we are well educated about all of them. Guilt and morals have not helped, obviously. This topic is extremely painful on any side we are; and if one accepts murders in other contexts, then we have a bigger issue that needs to be discussed.

Another issue I have with how this is addressed, from one side, mostly, is when I think in Africa, or elsewhere, how much forced pregnancies are part of a culture, such as child brides. It's just something where this issue takes another dimension, which is simple: we are all responsible, I mean Society, of creating such stuff. One thing relates to another. Consequently, all is so complex, depending from which point of view we are, that we neeed to develop the ability to make distinctions.


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/4/2016 12:00 am

Jimmy good day to you,

I hope you're having a pleasant Sunday. Thanks a lot for coming again back on this blog of mine, nice reading from you, exchanging our views, which at times are in agreement or disagreement. Neither of it would create any enmity between all of us So, we have made a point here above, which is very good. We eventually cannot be in total agreement on point or another, as each has his opinion and his point of view partly or totally on the subject. Sometimes, we learn from different opinions even if we disagree. But we remain zen, respectful. peaceful and friendly. This is my main point of view.

A topic may be discussed, argued, debated, agreed upon, disagreed on, or in agreement, but once all these are done in respect and in a friendly attitude, it becomes a very pleasant issue to read and respond to each and to all the commenters in a joyful atmosphere too. I wish and hope it to be so, on any other blog as well. I am wonderfully delighted that it has eventually been demonstrated here on my present blog. I heartily thank and congratulate all my readers and commenters here above. Thank you again Jimmy and thanks to each and all of them. God bless.
With my kind regards,
Lisa,


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/4/2016 12:26 am

Artmany hi and welcome,

I am very happy to welcome for the first time on my blog. Thanks greatly for your visit and your meaningful comments. Thank you also for expressing your own point of view which is welcome as well. As you may have read above, each commenter on here, has his own personal opinion on this posted topic. We respect all of them as they have their right of expression and thoughts. One may retort another, but trying to convince all on one self opinion is very difficult as each has a different point of view on the reality. But all has been stated in respect and peace, whether on agreement or disagreement. Thank you so much for your participation Artmany, I gladly appreciate it and your presense as well. It is surely a complex issue which has been partly pleasantly debated as above. Hope reading from you again in the future. Enjoy a happy Sunday with all of yours.
Lisa,


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/4/2016 8:23 am

Hi Fossil,

Nice reading from you again Fossil i hope you and Lucy are enjoying a fine day. I also hope that Artmany would read you here and reply you. Thanks again for your post on here. I wish both you and Lucy a happy coming week,
Lisa,


Robyn363 83F
3474 posts
12/4/2016 9:12 am

I have seen these pictures before Beth and it breaks my heart to read about how th baby is aborted. I have no patience with women who do this thing, there is no excuse for killing a baby, it is clear murder, no other word for it. There are so many couples who would welcome a baby into their homes, not being able to have a baby of their own. Whats wrong with these women? selfish to the core.
I believe that once a woman aborts a baby the mother will never feel the same again
There is no other word for i texcept murder.It makes my blood boil.


Robyn363 83F
3474 posts
12/4/2016 9:13 am

I have seen these pictures before Beth and it breaks my heart to read about how th baby is aborted. I have no patience with women who do this thing, there is no excuse for killing a baby, it is clear murder, no other word for it. There are so many couples who would welcome a baby into their homes, not being able to have a baby of their own. Whats wrong with these women? selfish to the core.
I believe that once a woman aborts a baby the mother will never feel the same again
There is no other word for it but murder.It makes my blood boil.


Artmany 107F

12/4/2016 5:18 pm

    Quoting Beth1949:
    Artmany hi and welcome,

    I am very happy to welcome for the first time on my blog. Thanks greatly for your visit and your meaningful comments. Thank you also for expressing your own point of view which is welcome as well. As you may have read above, each commenter on here, has his own personal opinion on this posted topic. We respect all of them as they have their right of expression and thoughts. One may retort another, but trying to convince all on one self opinion is very difficult as each has a different point of view on the reality. But all has been stated in respect and peace, whether on agreement or disagreement. Thank you so much for your participation Artmany, I gladly appreciate it and your presense as well. It is surely a complex issue which has been partly pleasantly debated as above. Hope reading from you again in the future. Enjoy a happy Sunday with all of yours.
    Lisa,

Hi Beth, no need to thank me so much, or i'll blush non stop . I don't know, I must've been misunderstood, I tried to figure out things from both sides, a bit more objectively, so it's not my opinion, or trying to convince, but thoughts about information available from many levels, which is not easy. But I'll refrain to say more, because most appear one sided.


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/4/2016 11:18 pm

Robyn Hello,

Your presence and your participation on the above issue, are keenly appreciated, thank you so much for visit and your wonderful comments. It's great reading from you again on my blog. Robyn dear, it also breaks my heart seeing on these pictures how abortion is done, I wonder, whatever may be the reasons for the abortion, how the mother can survive it. It's really hard Robyn. I respect all the different comments posted on this blog as each opinion differs. But the facts remain the same. Hope reading from you again in the future. Thank you again Robyn. I wish you all my best for a pleasant week. King regards.
Lisa,


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/4/2016 11:37 pm

Artmany dear, hi again,

So glad reading from you again on here dear. I always welcome all my readers on my blog Artmany, we may each have different thoughts but this won't affect the friendship between me and each of them. Do not worry dear Artmany, you aren't misunderstood, your opinion is and will always be welcome and respected as well. The topic of my above blog is a sensitive issue upon which the thoughts and opinion differ but we shouldn't mind about them. We remain good friends always. Thanks again Artmany, have a pleasant week. My kind regards,
Lisa. .


Artmany 107F

12/6/2016 6:22 am

    Quoting Beth1949:
    Hi Fossil,

    Nice reading from you again Fossil i hope you and Lucy are enjoying a fine day. I also hope that Artmany would read you here and reply you. Thanks again for your post on here. I wish both you and Lucy a happy coming week,
    Lisa,

Beth, Fossil chose to block me instead. You invited us, then myself and reflected I brought some meaningful ideas, I guess some prefer not to think more in-depth about all intricacies such a complex topic is all about.
Frankly, as mentioned to you I'll refrain, decided to inform you, in respect of all the efforts you made to keep this place safe for a real debate. So, I am going to give more input here. First, Fossil, from his posts and recent blog, "get the hell out of here", appears to be an angry man, blocking me, or throwing the fact i'm a woman, many know it's a personal stuff "he" may have with women. I've never spoken to him, nor do I know him., or addressed to him personally. Bigots, mysogynistics, angry men, are common, and internet is their venting place.
Now, in the consideration of the topic, my point was to update it in our time. The past, the baby boomers, westerners who had a free for all sex and such, in that times, abortions must-ve been the rule. Damages had occurred. Some decided to go either one side or the other: in other words, into extremes. My point was, and I speak from work experience, is to respect all beliefs, cultures, professions, etc.. But today, we can't stay neutral. And we have to take sides.
My primary concern is suffering, as I said, both sides suffer. But it's not acceptable to stay ignorant: of the huge crisis exists int he world, the women's, young girls rights that all types of extremisms are destroying. We, women, and men, have to find our humanity. Blocking is a small example that we have been objectified. our humanity means the opposite: we "need" to re-learn how to talk to each others; once more, especially regarding such complex topics.


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/6/2016 11:20 am

Artmany, hi again,

Thank you for coming back and posting your above comments and statement. I don't know if we have read and responded to each other before but however, if it's the first time on this blog, I responded to you as politely as I did on others too. I don't know what are the problems between Fossil and you and I don't like to also interfere in it. I do respond always to fossil as I always to you as well. I am neutral in all these things. I am not eager to know who deals with whom and in which way, as it is their own privacy which I respect it too. I understand your point of view on the topic of my blog, Artmany, and as I said, opinion differs and none is considered as to be perfect. It's just only one's thought, one's explanation and one's right to express himself as well. I, for one, respect everyone's input on that topic. Out of the topic of my blog, whatever may be as personal conflict between others, it doesn't concern me and I won't interfere in it eventually. I would never add fuel to any fire but on the contrary I'd try to extinguish it. Thank you again Artmany, I wish you a fine day.
Lisa,


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/6/2016 11:37 am

Fossil lo, hi again,

I have read your above personal respond to Artmany. I don't have anything to add on that, except to plead both of you to avoid any friction or fight, if I may express it as such. Good that you have both responded to each on the matter of disagreement between both of you. I wish you can settle the dispute peacefully or avoid involving each other in your future statement. It may be too much demanding from me but I think, it would be the best for both of you. I wish both of you the keen will in doing so. Thanks again to both of you for respecting my blog. God bless both of you and may he bring you peace as well. Enjoy your day Fossil and my greetings to Lucy. Always with my kind regards.
Lisa,


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/7/2016 6:15 am

Puzzle hi,

As each and everyone's opinion on this blog of mine, has been respected, so is yours. If you could read even a few of the previous comments left on here, you would understand that opinion differs from one another. But they were all respectful and not aggressive, which has been keenly appreciated. However, thanks for your visit and your own opinion. Have a good day.
Lisa,


Artmany 107F

12/7/2016 5:52 pm

    Quoting Fossil_Fetcher:
    Obviously you are not blocked here, Don. You are blocked on my blog because of your phony handle. You are Alphonso and have been outed yet again. No need to turn Beth's informational blog into a war zone.

    Fossil

Corrections: I think you should bring your unjustified comment and accusation to SFF. for verification, first. Second, I can assure you i'm not Alphonso whoever it is. Third, my handle is not phony, is a combination of a highly creative stuff. Forth, I have only one account here, had none other than this one and am against any type of falsification of identity, here or in real life. As far as bringing "war" on here: I d in't address to you, but you did on here, and I didn't block you but you did. Owe your own stuff and stop addressing to me from now on, directly or not. Capiche?


LaColorina 66F
1955 posts
12/8/2016 1:32 pm

I don't see too many people stepping up to feed the "orphans", street kids" or Homeless". Jimmy, I agree with your statements, I think. Some people FEEL the need to voice their disgust about certain misfortunes some people are faced with. Just don't let "IT" happen to you or your immediate family, because then, the scenario is much different. The problem is NOT yours, until IT hits Home. That covers "everything". Hey! Let's start restricting all "healthy" individuals to having sexual relations ONLY to "procreate"! Nobody can have sexual intercourse IF you are not out to having a child! Ludicrous! Right? I say "live and let Live!" Each individual will have to answer to their God. God sees it all, and yet, we are STILL breathing.
PRO-CHOICE!!! MEN will never actually KNOW, what a WOMAN goes through, every day of her life! So, No Way can a man tell a woman what to do with her body! Don't judge, lest you be judged!" To the women...instead of meddling in other people's choices, bring yourself to offer them help. If she can't see how she will bring a child into this world, step up! You provide her the option to support that child for 18 years or "adopt"! Always easy to say," go ahead, bring that child into the world", but raising and providing for that child will be the "government's problem. You will be too busy sounding off. Furthermore, Viagra is covered for men but birth control for women ISN'T???? LOPSIDED!!! It seems to me some people suffer from the "Holier Than Thou", syndrome. "If you are not part of the Solution, than you are part of the Problem!" Steps off the podium and exits the room... Oh wait.... that is my opinion.


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/19/2016 12:23 am

LaColorina, hi and welcome,

Thank you for your visit and your comments which I appreciate very much. You are quite right in your opinion. Opinon here differs from one another but we respect it as everyone has his own freedom too. Thank you again LaColorina.
I wish you and all of yours A Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
Lisa,


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/19/2016 12:29 am

Puzzles hi,

We should agree that opinion of one differs from another. Whatever yours is, it's your own and no one is forced to agree with yours for sure and vise versa.
So, just live and let live. Thank you again. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and all of yours.
Lisa,