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Beth1949 75F
3163 posts
8/9/2015 5:59 am

Last Read:
9/7/2015 11:32 am

WHAT ARE YOUR PERSPECTIVE OR VIEWS ON A GUN OR HARMFUL WEAPONS

I have posted this blog on the related topic to have your views which will widen my knowledge and enlighten me on this matter. Here in my country, none of the public is allowed to owe any firearm or weapon, except the Police and Military to maintain Law and order and they must return these arms to the concern offices after working hours. Only those who possess a hunting gun ONLY for seasonal hunting of deer and warthogs in the hunting reserve and they are lawfully registered and in control as well.

Otherwise, none of the general public has ever hold any firearm or deadly weapon. We just see it with our Law enforcement officers, or in movies, on pictures or in magazines. There is no shop selling weapons here and none is allowed to order and purchase any from abroad as well.

Therefore, I would like to have your views or perspective on the following question:

A- Has it become a necessity, a culture or a luxury, owing such harmful weapon(s)?.
(Except the lawful authorities of course)

B- If such weapons are under control or forbidden to the general public, wouldn't the public and future generation have a better life and behavior?.
C- If weapons are not freely sold and not kept at home at the sight of and others, wouldn't life be fearless?.
D- Shouldn't there be a teaching strategy at learning institutes, against the use of arms in societies?

I greatly thank you in anticipation, for your read and views.
Sincerely,
Lisa











hermitinthecity 70M
1697 posts
8/9/2015 7:06 am

This is my response to a similar post with unsafe_sax a while ago.

I own guns, 8 to be precise and I'd like one more. I enjoy the sport. I put holes in paper (targets), shoot a few clays with the 12 gauge, plink at metal toys I've made and bought for the purpose etc. I rarely hunt but if I do I never pull the trigger on anything I'm not going to fully use for meat. If I'm not sure of the shot, I dont pull the trigger. I'd hate to wound it, I dont believe in cruelty, not even if it's a ferral animal. Has to be a clean hit.

The laws here (in Australia) are so strict, the police can come and check your place without a warrant if you own a gun at any time they like. If you refuse to let them in they leave one officer watching you and get a warrant. If you refuse again you'll be charged with obstruction. It's best just to let them in straight away and get on the right side of them.

The guns must be locked up in a safe that's bolted to the floor and wall, or weighs over 150kg (330 lbs), then it doesnt have to be bolted.

Ammo has to be stored separately from the guns in locked boxes (most safes have a "safe within a safe" with separate key for ammo).

Guns are not to be visible while being transported, they must be carried in either a hard case or soft case bag so no member of the public feels threatened.

Only the owner is allowed to know where the key is, if he/she tells their partner or anyone else and it's found out the guns will be confiscated and license revoked. (unless both have a licence)

Licence now takes a few days of training to obtain with all the paperwork and hefty fees entailed.

Each gun after being bought (usually 2-3 times the U.S. price) is kept by the gun shop until the paperwork (model, serial number and all details) is sent off to the fireams branch of the police and then it's stamped and returned. This is usually around 2-4 weeks. You have 2 weeks in which to register the gun for a fee ($29.00 and rising) at your local police station once it has come in the post.

You have to notify within 2 weeks of change of address where you have moved to.

You cannot buy ammo without showing your license, and it's expensive.

No ammo can be left lying around loose, you'll lose your guns and licence if they see it on an inspection.

These rules are for rifles, pistols have even more restrictions and licensing. Can take up to a year before you get your pistol on the range with all the paperwork and waiting times, and with each separate caliber you own as well there's a separate form and about a year's wait again.

Most shooters here are responsible, the main gun offences are by criminals and bike gangs who will always obtain them illegally anyway.

Now it's being tossed around that all gun owners must be a member of a club. I am so it doesnt bother me, but I dont think that's necessary.

There's different rules in different states, eg, bolt and magazine must be kept separate from the rifle while stored in one state but not another. Same with transporting them. In one state a rifle was classed as 'military' and therefore not allowed, but the owner sold it to a buyer in another state where it was allowed.

Trigger locks are a good idea, I use these as the policeman who registererd my last 2 guns was a keen shooter himself and told me that no court could say that a trigger locked gun was dangerous even with the bolt and mag in. It's useless until it's removed.

The things we have to put up with here ...........

The downside of all this is, if a buglar or molestor came into your house, you'd better use a knife or a baseball bat, it would take you 5-10 minutes before you could get all your stuff together.
I believe the reason the law is this way though because if you do shoot someone it will be classed as premeditated murder. Why? Because you've had all that time to cool down, but you still methodically went through the procedure of getting it all set up to shoot and then did.

This is how it is here in Australia. Mind you murders have not gone down that much, only the method has changed, it's now more with a knife or sharp instrument. Look up "Australian Institute of criminology - Homcide weapons statistics." The second diagram shows the graph.

Judgment Day will be interesting - and all paths lead there.


bijou624

8/9/2015 9:50 am

Hi Beth: In Canada we don't carry guns in public or have them in our house. If you're a store owner and you shoot a robber, you can go to jail yourself. I think if a robber wants to take your money just give it to him and call the police. Lucky for us if we call 911 the cops will be at our house or store in a few seconds.


Unsafe_Sax_54 69M
1590 posts
8/9/2015 9:50 am

Since Roxy has me blocked from responding directly, I'll just add this here:

"Cowboys" - bad
Criminals - good?

In a perfect world, we wouldn't have to defend ourselves against armed criminals and "enemies, foreign and domestic". When are you going to grow up and realize that there is no such thing as a perfect world?


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
8/9/2015 10:13 am

Hank hi,
Thanks for your visit and for your comments on this blog of mine. Glad reading from you and I do understand your point of view. I am not blaming or being against anyone keeping any gun for his own protection of course. My thoughts refer to my 3 above questions only on this blog of mine. Maybe due to my inexperience in witnessing such life, though I've been to USA lots of time, couple of years ego, I hadn't experienced such criminality as it is nowadays. I wonder why it is eventually getting worst. All my thoughts are for the future generation be it in of the USA or elsewhere. I would like the new generation to live a peaceful life, a fearless life even with however little they they'll have. That's really the aim on my present blog.
Thank you again for your clarification Hank. Be sure I wouldn't blame you for owing any gun for your own safety.
Have a pleasant week ahead.
Lisa.


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
8/9/2015 10:14 am

Hi Hermit,

I have understood your explanation herewith, it appears, there is quite good control of arms in Australia. That's very good. I also understand that your people there abide well by the regulations, another good point also. This is how reduction of murderers with such weapons, has gone down. Sometimes the unlimited immigration may also cause much disturbances or crime in any big country, due to immigrants former upbringing, societies and characters. I believe with more progress in scrutinizing and with different methods of welcoming immigrants, it may bring criminality further down.
Thanks again for your views and your comments Hermit, have a wonderful coming week.
Lisa.


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
8/9/2015 10:28 am

MrsJoe hi,

How nice reading from you and thank you for kind visit and for you nice comments too. MrsJoe, those who owe guns in my country are those mainly for hunting deer,, warthogs, rabbits which are for their own consumption. We do have a club for those people and they are licensed and under control as well. The hunting season is not all year round, it's about 2/3 months yearly. but all the other guns are for the police and military. The law is very strict here. And besides, none of us here is eager to possess any arm as such, because it is not our culture and therefore not to introduce such harmful weapon to our children. We are well protected here just by the law enforcement and we abide by the regulations too. Those hunters who get registration from the concerned office, they get the hunting guns accordingly but not to buy them from any shop here. There is no such thing here too. One cannot find a free shop to buy any weapons. Even if one is coming back to the country with a weapon as such, it will be definitely confiscated at the airport, unless he has a lawful permit from the Gov. office. Which is very rare here.
Thank you for your views, I wish you a nice coming week.
Lisa.


looklook 84M
3925 posts
8/9/2015 10:29 am

Lisa. MLLD
Wonderful topic, Lisa. Guns should be banned everywhere in this world. This blog is not a particular country oriented as far as I can imagine. Guns are used only to kill various life forms. It does not preserve a life!


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
8/9/2015 10:29 am

Dakota hi.

Glad to know the disciplines involved within your family members and how you all use the guns you owe for such hunting purpose. I wish the young generation, understand and keep in mind that owing a gun or so, is not to jeopardize anything perilous. Thank you for your visit and your nice comments Dakota. Hope reading from you always. Have a nice week ahead.
Lisa.


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
8/9/2015 10:30 am

My dear Mary Ann hi,

I hope you have had a wonderful weekend. Am always pleased reading from you on my blogs. Thank you so much for your visit and your meaningful comments which I appreciate very much. I hope when those using guns for their own pleasurable killings of their alike, would one day think twice before acting. The proverb says, " Don't do unto others what you wouldn't like to be done unto to you". When will all these criminals understand this, I wonder.
I wish you all my best Mary Ann.
Lisa.


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
8/9/2015 10:40 am

Bijou dear, hi,

Nice read from you comments, it appears to be similar to the law in my country. The same thing is applicable here, we have no right to owe guns in our house, except a hunting registered owner, during the hunting seasons only. I myself have never held or even touched any gun or other weapons till this age of mine. There is an intense control here. If any suspicion, the police has the right to fetch your house and the consequences are really heavy.
Thank you for your views again Bijou, have my best wishes.
Lisa.


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
8/9/2015 10:52 am

Sax hi,

Thanks for your visit and your comments on my blog. What I may only say here is that all the countries aren't the same, not the same situation and not the same unaccountable criminality. Here we do not have to really defend ourselves from "enemies, foreign and domestic". We are such a peaceful country and living in harmony with everyone. We do not have such enemies cause we also do not mingle in other foreign affairs. We mind our own. That's the reasons why lots of foreigners come to settle here, once they are not from any known terrorist country.
Thank you again Sax, I wish you my best.
Lisa.


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
8/9/2015 11:01 am

MySeek hello dear,

The same here in my country as I have described above, we do not have the culture of owing and keeping gun on our house. We abide by the law here and we are protected by the police and the law enforcement of my country. To owe even a hunting gun here, is a lot of problem to get registered to be able to have such gun and it is under severe control too. As I said above, till this age I have never held or even touched any gun or other weapons till now and I don't think I will ever even, same as most of the population here.
I wish you a lovely coming week, MySeek, hope reading from you always. God bless.
Lisa.


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
8/9/2015 11:21 am

Looklook mbn, hi,

It's a pleasure reading from you on this blog of mine. You are correct in your point of view. Banning guns everywhere should be a good deed but who will abide by it in some big countries, how can it be done? where the culture has been implemented since quite long, allowing the people to use guns as freely as they want. Where is first the control within the public? Can it be done now. don't you think it is too late at present ?. Maybe if effort is done for the next generation in many countries. Who doesn't know that guns are mainly to kill?. But yet criminals think it's their own way in life. Why??, Just read again my 4 above question, a, b. c and d on my blog.
Thanks again for your visit Looklook mbn, I wish you all my very best for this coming week.
Lisa.


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
8/9/2015 12:29 pm

Skariff hi.

You are welcome on my blog, it's really the first time I read from you on here. Thank you so much for your kind visit and your wonderful comments as well. I really appreciate them. You have made a sensible and an appreciable point of view. I wish all your suggestions and aim will be fulfilled for the benefits of all the others. It's a real pity reading daily of such killings on the news. I hope the legislatures for such control will be approved soon and be implemented also.
Thank you so much again Skariff. Hope reading from you again.
Have a beautiful coming week.
Lisa.


Unsafe_Sax_54 69M
1590 posts
8/9/2015 1:36 pm

Skariff has blocked my response so I'll make it here: in the aftermath, confusion and looting of hurricane Katrina, going door-to-door collecting legal firearms by Law Enforcement was EXACTLY what happened.

But you keep the lies coming - makes it more obvious what you are, gruber.


Unsafe_Sax_54 69M
1590 posts
8/9/2015 1:41 pm

As far as the first of your questions, perhaps you should examine the results of gun confiscation by "legal authorities". See: Nazi Germany, USSR, Communist China.

And, by dint of hours-a-day for years and a few tens-of-thousands of rounds of ammo, I shoot better than 99.99% of "legal authorities". Proved over and over by competition and observation. I'm more afraid of being hit by a stray (poorly aimed) bullet from "legal authorities" than missing anything I aim at.


Unsafe_Sax_54 69M
1590 posts
8/9/2015 5:10 pm

I'm sorry skariff - remind me: where did I say "widespread". As far as disingenuous.....sharks in the street? The fact is that the gun grab happened while looters WERE in the street. And the Dem mayor was holed up in a hotel penthouse. As far as marksmanship, it goes to LE showing up late and not being as able to hit what they aim at.

Sooooooo the 2nd Amendment is about fear? I'd be happy to stand in for the Founders and bitch slap you all day long over that one. And my references to the totalitarian governments mentioned, no...we're not that - YET. Perhaps you missed barry's speech on his desire to have a "civilian security force, as large and well-funded as the Army".

No, skarrif - we're a ways from the totalitarian gruberment you seem to crave - and further with each gun sale and well-trained civilian marksman. Nothing you ever say or do will make ANYONE safer in this Country.

And now everyone knows why you can't afford to have me post on your blogs - you're just too stupid to stand the truth.


Unsafe_Sax_54 69M
1590 posts
8/9/2015 6:17 pm

Skariff: as soon as your cure your ignorance and inability to read and relate to what you've read....well.....it's a start.


bijou624

8/9/2015 11:16 pm

    Quoting  :

Hi Lulu: Thanks for the info. After I made my earlier reply I remembered there were guns used for hunting in Canada.


evergreen1949 74F
81 posts
8/10/2015 12:25 am

My son is working and living for more than 10 years in the USA. In his job there are often deadlines when he has to work until midnight and longer. Once after midnight as he was unlocking the entrence door to his apartement house he felt someone was touching his bag carrying his PC and camera. He turned around and was faced with a gun. The gun holder told him he wants his bag. My son refused but did as he was told if not he will be shot. His conclusion from this incident was ... Mum at the slightest motion he had pulled the trigger. Even a gun in my pocket had been useless as there was no chance to pull it out. And I was glad that he reacted so sensible.

And I agree with MySeek's comment totally.


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
8/10/2015 4:07 am

Sax, hi again,

Thanks for your above comments, though it's been addressed to Skariff on my blog but am glad reading it, as it gives me some more knowledge of what has happened after hurricane Katrina. Am not so aware of all these, so good for me reading about it.
Thank you again. Have a good day.
Liusa.


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
8/10/2015 4:11 am

Sax. am pleased to know you're such a good shooter, but am also glad not to form part of any shooting event cause I'll be really scared of. Thanks any way.
Lisa.


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
8/10/2015 4:30 am

Hank hi again,

You are and will be always welcome to my blog. I like reading your comments on here as of anyone else. You have the right as anyone else too. Hank, I have been to USA many many times before, maybe it was quieter than nowadays. I have enjoyed my stay there. For me it was such a great joy being there. The friends and other people really made me feel at home, they liked me so much, those were great times really. But now, I get really afraid to go and stay there again. Maybe, due to all the news I read and watch daily from there. I do understand and believe all your comments and I guess it's more dangerous and one must be on the safe side. I'll not say to never go there again. I'll want to really but as scared as I am and a novice too, I wonder what I'll do in a critical situation alone there. However, I hope it will be better, the situation may change to be better and to revive again the beautiful time I had there during each of my visit.
It is always a pleasure reading you here on any of blog Hank and be sure it's not a waste of time as such. Maybe it looks like this time with the retorts and challenges between one another this time on here but it's my pleasure reading all of you here.
So, you'll be always welcome Hank.
Enjoy your day.
Lisa.


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
8/10/2015 4:34 am

Skariff hello again,

I've enjoyed reading all the challenges and retorts of everyone here on this blog of mine. It has really enlightened me on many issues which I wasn't aware of. It's like a debate which has widened my knowledge too. Thanks for your post. You'll be always welcome to comment on my blog. Hope reading from you again.
Have a nice day Skariff.
Lisa.


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
8/10/2015 4:38 am

Sax, thanks again for this post retort to Skariff, what a good read for me and also to understand everyone's opinion.
May you day be a cool one.
Lisa.