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In a perfect world, every woman that gets pregnant would give their child a wonderful home and upbringing. Sadly that's not the case. A heartbeat is life but one not developed enough to survive on its own. At the point that it can do that, it would be murder to abort. The problem I have with those against abortion is will those same people help take care of that child? No, of course not. Elaine Shuel
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lulu... everything you have said is true... and I don't agree with a lot of your views... but then do we as just humans have the right to choose to terminate the life of a fetus because it is an inconvenience..... I believe women should have the right to choose what happens with their bodies.... the problem for me is that once conception has taken place .... it is NO longer just her body! I don't have statistics but have heard and read articles that state that many women here in the US use abortion as a form of birth control. Much of our society sees an embryo or fetus as being "disposable" For the record I will say that when it comes to being a medical necessity or a horrible birth deformity that would mean the child has no chance of survival or any chance of quality of life, or .... I agree that then it should be the choice of the mother and or father.... Elaine Shuel
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6/22/2015 6:35 pm |
I have always considered this a moral decision and like all moral decisions needs to be left to those involved. just because I feel strongly about doing or not doing something does not give me the right to impose my choice on others. I also offer my usual challenge to those who want to prevent reproductive choice to do as I did and adopt and care for a damaged child born to and abused by parents who didn't want him the follow though with caring for them for life. Someone has to care for the unwanted children. Spiritwoman ^i^
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I completely agree with spiritwoman. Well said!!!
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I sometimes wonder if over weaning sentimentality over-rides grim reality at times. It would seem far too many children are brought into the world without much forethought to the future, i.e we live, we breed, we die - does not quality of life matter also?
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Every Abortion is a failure. Based on a successful shot BTW. I have to disagree with LULU. That the embryo is just nothing but tissue or such has been the justification for ever! I am as guilty as any. The argument that we should be able to not even begin the process is a best answer. You are not going to stop the event. A woman's choice of self defense is legit. But the "choice" hype is based on failure. Nothing to make such hype about. 'Women's rights' is a catchphrase to legitimise the failure of 2 people to be able to say, OK, its on, but we don't need to bring somebody else who is innocent into the mix. Like all the 'causes' it is all about big business, the money.
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Elaine... I am speaking more about babies that have the really horrible birth defects or deformities such as being born without a brain that would not be able to survive after birth.... or would live their entire lives in a vegetative state.... I am not talking about babies that aren't perfect.... there are lots of babies that are not perfect that are completely capable of living a normal life and have quality of life.... it may sound like a contradiction but its the way I feel.... I could understand a woman or couple making the decision with their doctor to abort a pregnancy if it was a life threatening pregnancy for the woman.... there are those women that have been faced with that and they choose to proceed with the pregnancy anyway..... that is their choice but I would not blame them if they chose otherwise..... The same holds true of a pregnancy that is the result of r*pe or ..... that is a moral question for the mother.... again I don't know that I would abort the child, but again I would not blame the mother if she made that choice. Elaine Shuel
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Exactly what I meant. Elaine Shuel
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6/22/2015 9:23 pm |
additional thoughts from personal experience. one of my daughters learned at week 22 of a much wanted pregnancy that the baby was anacephalic (developed without a brain). If the baby survived to birth he would be born dead or diemshortly after. If he died in utero it could be life threatening or threaten her ability to have other children. The baby would not be a suitable organ donor. After a great deal of emotional turmoil she decided to terminate the pregnancy. I accompanied her for the procedure. It was one of the saddest experiences I have had. We shared the experience (a 4 day process) with several other women in similar circumstances. All were carrying fetuses that had died in utero or had unsurvivable medical issues. This was an emotional traumatic experience but necessary. A happier ending. The next year my daughter had a healthy baby boy. This was also a high risk pregnancy but with intervention she managed to deliver safely. Her son has minor neurological issues but the neurologist feels he will outgrow them. Spiritwoman ^i^
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additional thoughts from personal experience. one of my daughters learned at week 22 of a much wanted pregnancy that the baby was anacephalic (developed without a brain). If the baby survived to birth he would be born dead or diemshortly after. If he died in utero it could be life threatening or threaten her ability to have other children. The baby would not be a suitable organ donor. After a great deal of emotional turmoil she decided to terminate the pregnancy. I accompanied her for the procedure. It was one of the saddest experiences I have had. We shared the experience (a 4 day process) with several other women in similar circumstances. All were carrying fetuses that had died in utero or had unsurvivable medical issues. This was an emotional traumatic experience but necessary. A happier ending. The next year my daughter had a healthy baby boy. This was also a high risk pregnancy but with intervention she managed to deliver safely. Her son has minor neurological issues but the neurologist feels he will outgrow them. Elaine Shuel
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additional thoughts from personal experience. one of my daughters learned at week 22 of a much wanted pregnancy that the baby was anacephalic (developed without a brain). If the baby survived to birth he would be born dead or diemshortly after. If he died in utero it could be life threatening or threaten her ability to have other children. The baby would not be a suitable organ donor. After a great deal of emotional turmoil she decided to terminate the pregnancy. I accompanied her for the procedure. It was one of the saddest experiences I have had. We shared the experience (a 4 day process) with several other women in similar circumstances. All were carrying fetuses that had died in utero or had unsurvivable medical issues. This was an emotional traumatic experience but necessary. A happier ending. The next year my daughter had a healthy baby boy. This was also a high risk pregnancy but with intervention she managed to deliver safely. Her son has minor neurological issues but the neurologist feels he will outgrow them.  Elaine Shuel
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spirit... I am so sorry for the loss your family suffered.... I can only imagine how heartbreaking it had to be.... I have a step-sister whose baby girl died in the womb 3 days before her scheduled c-section. It was devastating..... I am so happy to hear that your daughter did end up having a healthy baby Elaine Shuel
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I agree with you Yaya about respecting the rights of commentators to express their opinions here. Those who choose to use personal insults not only do not further their opinion, but also exhibit the fact that they have nothing of value to say that supports their point of view. If they can't support their opinion, they launch personal attacks, or bring in unrelated subjects.
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