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jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
9/4/2017 7:44 am

I know this is really hard for you to comprehend.

but this country has a problem with understanding doing the right thing for the wrong reason, and doing the wrong thing for the right reason.

Let me use "Charlottesvile" as my example. the premise of Charlottesville was the removal of the statue of Robert E Lee. Both sides had a legitimate argument, but prior to "Charlotteville" the premise of the Liberal argument was on shaky ground.

Liberals felt, That Confederate symbols sent the wrong message. but my truth has always been symbols don't sent messages people send messages. Anyway, The wrong message that was that these symbols represented racism, hate, and immoral people. These symbols, were offensive to the already oppressed, and exemplified a world we don't want. Liberals were wrong..... people send that message not symbols.

The debate about this could have been held and a fair and equitable result obtained.

Again with the Irony... It's just amazing.

White supremacists, KKK, and Neo-Nazis, made Charlotteville a point of their protest. They have that right , of course, but what message did it send? Well, it simply turned an erroneous message into the truth.

The argument that both you I could make about not tearing down the statue, became mute and unheard. Both you and I should be appalled at what the white supremasists did. They destroyed our reasons.
They did the right thing for the wrong reasons, and the wrong reason has made it the wrong thing.
the Antifa....I must admit does it a little different .....they do the wrongs things for the right reasons.
So YOU get to choose..... you make it all about the wrong thing, never about the reasons.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
9/4/2017 8:18 am

Doing the right thing?

Of course this is not just about Charlottesvile.. It's about everything.

As you may see the Trump Administration doing the right thing......immigration. repealing Obamacare, tax cuts, repealing regulations, getting back jobs, building a wall,and Making America Great Again. We easily could debate it, come to some conclusion. We could do that ......if you could only see that everything he does, may be the right thing to you...but almost always it's for the wrong reason.

There's nothing clearer to me than that. Trumps reasons for doing what does, is not the same as your reasons for wanting him to do it.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
9/4/2017 8:46 am

Doing the Wrong thing?

We could discuss Obama and the wrong things he did. He did do wrong things.

The wrong things he did , are not the main issue for me.
It maybe, just my opinion, but I have no evidence to the contrary
That the wrong things you believe Obama did, were done for the right reasons. His reason were truthful, to himself

Truthful disagreement versus dishonest agreement..take your choice.


Rocketship 80F
18572 posts
9/4/2017 12:17 pm

I agree with you that free speech is for everyone whether you agree with another's opinion or not.

I certain hope that universities continue to allow speakers on ALL sides of issues. Those who threaten violence should be dealt with immediately and appropriately by the general and campus police.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
9/4/2017 12:49 pm

    Quoting  :

First thing, I do NOT support the actions of the Antifa.

they do the wrong thing. Now I can agree the reasons stated, are also wrong.

But let's not take the specific reason of the Antifa, that tries to try justify what they do.. Lets take what it means they are anti-fascists. In my opinion, and if you were truthful too, it would your opinion. that that reason is a good one... what they do with it is wrong.

The white supremacist, protested to not tear down the statue, was, in my opinion the right thing to do, But their reason was wrong.

what don"t you understand? You take the worst of individual people, and statements made out of context, and try to paint a picture of an entire group. when the reason for that entire group , you actually support.
Conversely, because the reason of the group doesn't matter, can we assume you support, the KKK, Neo-Nazis and White Supremacist?


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
9/4/2017 2:45 pm

    Quoting  :

So you want to use Antifa..... to paint all anti-fascist.
So you create your own meaning... anti -Antifa is anti -Communism..

Your hypocrisy is unbelievable...... what is an anti-Liberal?
Create your own definition for that too.
but before you do... Neo Nazis, KKK, and White Supreamicists are also anti-Liberal.

So again it's your choice...... truthful disagreement or dishonest agreement.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
9/5/2017 5:00 am

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Can't you read?

I agree and then you say I can't read...... Your label using Antifa is too wide, and Your definition of Antifa too narrow. Of course you don't understand it.....
wide eyes and narrow mind.