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MrsJoe 76F
17308 posts
3/30/2017 1:27 pm

I'm sure that I am not alone when I say I have very little confidence or trust in any "investigation" our government does. I believe our federal government is so full of corruption and graft that it is truly a swamp.
When Trump talked about draining that swamp, I wondered how he could do it, and IF he could stand up to the opposition when he tried. I guess time will tell.


Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


MrsJoe 76F
17308 posts
3/30/2017 1:29 pm

And BTW, isn't it strange that all that leaked information turns out to be pretty true? hiLIARy was corrupt to the bone.

Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


Unsafe_Sax_54 69M
1590 posts
3/30/2017 1:40 pm

It gets better:

Who covered Russian intervention up? DEMOCRATS

More specifically, the Obama Administration. Last summer, FBI Director Comey wrote an op-ed about Russian manipulation of the Election. He pitched the idea to "Lurch" Kerry and Loretta "Coverup" Lynch. Since Hilly was, at that point in time, "a lock", no dem wanted to cast doubt on her election.

Imagine their surprise when Trump won. NOW it's time to scream about Russians.

They really are unbelievable. To anyone but a snowflake, at least.


hermitinthecity 70M
1691 posts
3/31/2017 5:59 am

U.S. State Department Marine Candace Clairborne sold top sescret stuff to Chinese for years, for personal profit. She was just arrested for failing to report her involvement with the Chinese goverment and for giving misleading statements. Also she's charged with perjury for lying to the FBI which could mean a hefty prison term. Evidence suggests she was committing treason for the entire time Obama was in office. How many others of Obama's leftovers are guilty of treason as well? Will be interesting to see how the Liberal media tries to spin this. Collions with Russians? Collusions with the Chinese will be thrown back in their faces.

Judgment Day will be interesting - and all paths lead there.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
3/31/2017 8:33 am

How do reconcile the Republicans congressmen and senators, siding with the Democrats on some of the issues, especially the Russian issue? I just don't see this as the great debate, it is, without Republican support.
How do you reconcile, Trump's blackmail of those in his own party?
Are the approval ratings of Trump..Fake News? Is 36% of country, the only ones that know the truth?
Are those Republican, like McCain and Graham, traitors also? Or just bad loser's too?
Trump's single greatest success, has been in his attempt to make nothing believable.
Destruction of the News media, revenge motives, and the degradation of the truth and people. I don't know, but that sounds awful familiar to me of the greatest despots in history.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
3/31/2017 10:28 am

Don't you just have to believe that the truth wins out over lies. I think it necessary, to believe that. I think it necessary to have faith in the truth.

If you don't, we are doomed anyway, no matter what the truth is.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
3/31/2017 10:42 am

"Why did Obama issue an executive order, days before he left, broadening who could see and share this information? Why didn't anyone care about Russia until now?" maisie.

To prevent Trump from covering up.

"What Russia issue? The false narrative the Russians changed votes? Just HOW did the Russians change any votes from Hillary to Trump???"

That's old history... Trump is the President, it doesn't matter now, it' over. Nobody is denying the Presidency. Because of Russian interference. we aren't going to redo the election. Russian interference is a fact. For what reason is under investigation. What it actually meant is under investigation. who or what was involved is under investigation.
There's is no doubt preliminary information about this was known, way before the election, and yes if Hillary had won, it wouldn't be as big an issue. but Hillary lost, and what we now don't know is if the Russian won. Did they get what they wanted. Were they successful? WE don't Know, but we need to find out.
Trump, if honorable, should be the one leading the charge, instead of fighting it. Leading the charge to uncover the truth. The truth shouldn't be feared by Trump.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
3/31/2017 10:54 am

maisie, forget the fact that Obama believed or didn't in Trump's involvement.
It doesn't matter what he believed.

The fact is.. We know Trump.
We know about crowd size, and his ego.

Trump would not have to be involved to cover this up. The mere fact it would have made him look bad, that the Russians were involved...would have lead to his coverup. He wins and talks about stuffing ballot boxes by Democrats. He wins and still bashes those that say anything against him. What kind of person is that?
Let's try an egotistical maniac and an ungracious winner.
and he hasn't changed one iota.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
3/31/2017 11:43 am

    Quoting  :

I just have to ask you this question........

How do you KNOW the Russian didn't influence the election?

Don't get me wrong, I 'm not saying they did an I know that..I think that but don't know that.

Do you know they didn't?


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
4/1/2017 8:55 am

    Quoting  :

Well, you keep defending the election. There are so many factors effecting the election, this one in particular, and the weight it carries doesn't really matter, so on that we agree. What we don't agree on is not what I think, It's what the Russian think. do they think they affected the election? I don't know, but the one thing I do know. if the results didn't matter, and their only reason was to disparage our system. they were successful.
As Trump states there were 3 to 5 million illegals vote. I can guaranteed you that did not have an effect on this election. Yet he is willing to also disparage the election, for an obvious lie.

The results of both Trumps statements and the idea of Russian involvement result in the same thing. That effect is not about the election results. But We need to find out, what the something else is. Why do they both say and do what they do?


MrsJoe 76F
17308 posts
4/1/2017 6:47 pm

I believe Obama tried to throw up a big smoke screen, unmasking names, etc. so that when Trump got in office, he would not see the truth about some of the nefarious actions of the Obama administration........ namely, spying on Trump's campaign and beyond.
Of course the Russians would have benefited more by hiLIARy being elected. That is why it is so funny to see the charges that they were working for Trump....... IF they were even involved in the leaked junk.
AND I do believe most Americans were already decided on whom they would cast their vote, before Podesta's emails got hacked, so to me it was a mute point that he was an idiot and she was corrupt.


Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.