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Rentier1

8/5/2015 6:56 am

Would you give Jane Fonda the same advice?


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
8/5/2015 8:13 am

Well we agree on the subject, but disagree on your added rhetoric.
Sometime it's so obviously true what people say, yet somehow accepting it becomes more difficult because of the person that said it.
Bruce/Caitlan made a statement that nobody should be able to deny. The statement stands on it own, yet people change it to mean what it's not(as you're trying do ). Other will disagree, and find a reason or even make one up to dissuade people from accepting it. This is the problem this country faces.
What he/she said should be universally accepted for what it means. It should not be embellished or dissuaded by those who have a different agenda. It's an identified problem that stands alone, and needs to corrected alone by all who serve us.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
8/5/2015 8:29 am

To try and make my point....let say that 50% of the people who receive assistance, do so rightfully and must have the assistance to survive.
Now let's say the other 50% do not, and are taking advantage of government assistance.
The liberals see the glass as half full...
The conservative see the glass as half empty
The rest of us see that both the liberals and conservatives need new glasses.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
8/5/2015 9:23 am

Maisie,

My statement agrees with that. Read it...
My statement doesn't support the left...they're using the idea just like the right does for their own agenda.
Why can't his/her statements stand on their own.
You are and they are trying to use it to make a point, not just agree with it, but embellish it, and draw conclusion from it. I don't see the purpose of that.
It's like a Conservative, standing up and saying ' A Women has the right to make a choice" here we go, conservatives up in arm, that this is the rhetoric of liberalism. When in fact, the statement is an undeniable truth. In the case of abortion, one must weigh a women right of choice against an unborn's right to life. One can not and should not deny the other.
This country needs to do something about people who abuse government assistance. Their color doesn't matter.
The discussion needs to be...what are we going to do about it, not a fight of whether or not it's a problem.


spiritwoman45

8/5/2015 10:29 am

Hurray for another who thinks rather than just follow party lines (left or right). If she had the b@@@s (figuratively now since the real ones are long gone) to be so public about something as significant as gender change political discussions are probably pretty small potatoes to her.

Spiritwoman ^i^


bijou624

8/5/2015 12:25 pm

I wonder why we even have political parties. I don't believe that every liberal or every conservative believes in everything their party believes in. I heard Chris Christie say recently that he is in favour of raising the minimum age to get old age pension, and I wondered if that is how he really feels or if that's something all Repubs are supposed to be in favour of?

P.S. I don't think Caitlyn 'came out of the closet' when she became a woman, because as far as I know both Bruce and Caitlyn are interested in women s*x partners.


Rentier1

8/6/2015 5:20 am

    Quoting  :

I infer that you prefer that she didn't say what she says.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
8/6/2015 8:25 am

I think you probably mean conservatives standing for office are loathe to be seen as pro-abortion, and this is true.

liszt.....exactly,

But for some conservatives there is a spillover from that.

My point is that saying a woman has a right of choice...is not a bad thing. Everyone would agree to it, unless one was discussing abortion, then many wouldn't. From the conservative point of view the statement cannot stand on it's own. It triggers responses, that it may not have intended to trigger. In so doing, for some it negates the statement. By not acknowledging it first, before mitigating it about abortion, some can get the wrong impression that conservatives believe women don't have a choice, like in other societies we know.