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Well I agree with you....but do have a question.. To make of sense of this one must define liberal. There are people out there that will be exactly liberal like you say. What I'd like to know is that your definition of Liberal? I must say today, in my agreement with you, I don't feel Liberal. Maybe tomorrow when I disagree with something you say, then will I become Liberal again.
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I wrote this in another blog, but let me say it again in a diferent way. Ferguson is a tale of two fathers One stepfather father and mother And one real father. I don't presume to know this as fact , It's more how I feel, through what I have seen and heard. A step father and mother, who only see themselves as victims. Michael is not about Michael, but about their anger, about their being a victim, about their retribution, about their revenge, about their attitude, and about their upbringing. They are blind to others and their impact and destruction of the Ferguson community. A real father, who see Michael as the victim, who takes responsibility for things he really had no control over. Who wishes he could have overcome the bad influences his son was subject too. Who faults himself for not making a greater impact on his son. Who see the death of his son as a victim of the police, the society, the community, the neighborhood, schools and Michael's parenting., I get that feeling through Michael's fathers words and eyes of his helplessness, and his responsibility. its a sad story, one in which, there is both personal tragedy and Community tragedy. Both different in meanings, yet both sad. Michael must not be made into a martyr. The children of Ferguson will not learn from Michael's real father's real pain. They can only learn from the neighborhood and victimhood, That will result in their becoming angry young men.
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mitee, You are oh so wrong about Michael Brown being a martyr. he is no such thing. he will become a martyr of the worse kind. I have no doubt. A martyr who will justify the actions he took in August, a martyr who will justify the burning down of buildings, A martyr who will justify the hatred of police, A martyr who will justify gang violence. A martyr who will justify revenge, retribution, and blame for all acts of violence. A martry who will teach the children how to become a martyr. you a foolish to believe that any good will come of this. From these ashes will rise not a preventive cause of the fire, but a blazefrom the ashes mightier than that which caused the fire.. The true nature of people who have nothing to lose is to do and take whatever they want. Until the time that people have something to lose, They will not admonish those that do and take whatever they want. They in fact, turn them into martyrs
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"Jiminy says that "Michael must not be made into a martyr"...what I wonder is what would we have him be from the standpoint of a black person living in black Ferguson? Michael would hopefully become the lynchpin from which new laws and new procedures can be brought forward. Michael would hopefully become the impetus from which a new and better day can dawn" mitee, This is the foolishness of liberal thinking, it's not about healthcare, or immigration reform. Once you paint this picture there's no turning back. No matter what happens you will justify it, and proclaim the coming of a better day. You will fiddle while Rome burns, and blame the conservatives as racists.
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11/26/2014 9:36 am |
Hi Maisie: It's not easy to watch the tape of Michael Brown's stepfather, with his pants so low they were almost falling off, urging the crowd to burn down everything, and also not easy to watch the tape of Michael Brown in the variety store stealing the cigars right in front of the owner, and then arrogantly pushing him to the ground like he was just a nuisance. However, since we're not African American we can only imagine how they are treated by society or by the police, but we really don't know first hand how African Americans are treated. There were demonstrations in Canada last night, so this mistreatment and unfairness by the police must be happening here too in our African American community.
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11/26/2014 9:43 am |
My impression is that very few Americans, left, right, middle, Black, White, want to have an honest discussion on race. We have the same problem in Canada with aboriginal issues. Easier to avoid the problem than to try to address it.
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mitee, What do you purpose to change because of the demonstrations. You must first agree that Officer Wilson is a racist, because without that the demonstration for Michael Brown has no meaning. The Michael Brown death only becomes an excuse for past injustices, and a justification for bad behavior., including the destruction of property and the injury to lives. Adding more black police officers doesn't solve the problem. Between the Uncle Tom syndrome and the hatred for police in general it won't change a thing. We can not eliminate racism until both races see the light. Blacks stop using it to justify bad behavior, and then many white people will lose their excuse for racism and stop their bad behavior. The question that needs to asked that isn't asked. is would Michael have changed his behavior if the police officer was black, and would the people of Ferguson be less up in arms if the police officer was black. Is credibility based on race and not facts from both sides of the fence. It is my honest OPINION, that people in Ferguson would lose their excuse to do what their doing, and yet Michael Brown would still be dead.
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Imagine my surprise when you said you just cant make up your mind from day to day.. massie, I know what I am.......the question is do you know what I am. Not surprising you didn't understand my intended meaning and changed my meaning to fit your intend result.......H-e-l-l-o! I refuse to be labeled...that's all I am, however, whenever you say I'm Liberal, I wear it it as a badge of honor. If leafy or mittee would say I'm conservative, I would take exception to that. I do not want to be thrown in with "you folks" even if I agree with you. I see the folly in both you and leafy, and now mittee as well. I guess if something sounds good to you, it must be good. Note that leafy, and mittee do not commit to their feeling toward Officer Wilson....They don't call him a racist. Their whole spewl is not based on the fact of this events, but the past injustices to black going all the back to slavery. Typical Liberal who may be right in their assessment but wrong in the application. To me, there's very little difference between you and leafy, not in the subjective anyway.....only in the objective. (by the way, if you don't get it, That's a play on words)
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11/26/2014 5:19 pm |
Fiscally conservative huh....LOL Then you must be thrilled that we are well beyond the conservative catastrophe of GW Bush and the budget busting of Ronald Reagan. So what explains torture? They talk a good game, but don't deliver.
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11/27/2014 6:10 am |
Who doesn't want to tell the truth?
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So you propose what, exactly? That things should continue in this vein ad infinitum? mittee, I purpose that you especially, and black people take color out of this situation. The color of the people involved, may or may not matter. But, by making it matter you make matters worse. Defining racism is not only in the acts perpetrated, by also can be found in labeling of racism that doesn't exist. I choose to believe Officer Wilson, not because of race, but because his actions were reactions. Michael brown actions both during the incident and prior to the incident show a troubled young man, who was headed down a path of destruction. Officer Wilson may have been doing his job by initiating the action, but Michael Brown was the cause of his reaction. I try as hard as I can to remove race from an incident like this, to evaluate each incident on it's own merit. I am not devaluing the your interpretation based on past injustices. I'm just not using past injustices to skew my view. past injustices are an excuse not a reason. Both you and the folks in Ferguson see it that way. White cop shot unarmed black man is all you and they need to know to pass judgment. I could care less if you are a Liberal a not, but it reasoning such as this that defines to me Liberal thinking. You and I can argue with massie and it doesn't define us. My argument with massie is not in regard to specifics but to her conclusions, her assumptions, and her intentions. To me and my opinion your attitude towards this situation defines you liberal. Whether you are not doesn't matter..
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