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Yup. I'm serious Hi folks. A few hours ago, I read some responses to a comment I made on another blog, and later it occurred to me that maybe I haven't made my viewpoints known in the past on what I've come to believe about Barack Obama these last few years. Sure it's just my opinion. But it's not without some basis in fact and logic. So folks are free to take it for what it's worth. Altho, if you whine or get angry at me for it, take it personal, or stoop to insults then I think your insecurities will be obvious and will explain your bias much better than any other points you may raise on the topic. So here's my view: I believe that Barack Obama is deliberately trying to bring about the downfall of the USA. I believe that is why he defies logic and makes every calculation in a way that will aid and abet those who seek to destroy our way of life, even if they have to kill us to do so. I believe that is why his policies are so consistently in opposition to our National Security, economy, and western civilization in general. And I think it's all intentional. I think he's known all along what he's doing. He's not incompetent or simply naïve or arrogant. Those are simply masks he wears to hide the fact that he is our enemy. Not going to attack those who disagree with me (unless they attack me first, and then it will depend on my mood at the time and whether I think you've harmed yourself more than me or not.) It's just my opinion and those who disagree are free to hold to theirs. GBU all, Gavin |
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11/24/2015 3:48 am |
Hi Gavin: I'm sorry you feel that way about your President, but from other comments I've read on this site by Repubs for the past eight years, you're not the only one who feels that way about him. I feel just the exact opposite about President Obama myself. To me he was the brightest hope for the world, a caring, peace loving man, loved and respected by the whole world other than the Repubs in his own country. It's bizarre that so many people think President Obama is a bad president, because to me people should be terrified of Donald Trump. For some reason Trump has been at the top of the polls for a long time and might become the next U.S. president. To me he is shifty, evil, arrogant, a war monger, racist, Islamophobe, heartless, and a liar and if elected I think he would likely bring destruction to the U.S. and the rest of the world.
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I wish I could explain to you how I feel about the statement. I can tell you, it has nothing to with Obama, and only the President of the United States, regardless of who occupies the position. but I'm sure you can't understand that. I throw around people's intent in here a lot. I never think of it as good or bad. just what it is. I can say I don't like Adolpho intent, and such don't like Adolpho. The intent comes first, not what he says. You can make the same statement to me, about me, and I wouldn't take offense. I do take offense about Obama, because it's not about him , it's about the President of the United States. The ideas you have of him, are impeachable offenses. Without impeachment, the ideas you have of him become slander. Your opinion may appear to be widespread within your circles but It not in the real world. Obama has done nothing, to warrant the statement, other than your opinion of a direction you see he's leading the country. I doubt that any Liberal candidate could withstand that thought from you. So it not about Obama, it's about direction and it's about liberals The next liberal president will come under the same gun. So it's not about Obama it's about the President of the United States and your disagreement with the voters I think the general condition of the country, at this moment, speaks volumes about, the lack of credibility your statement holds. I certainly don't credit OBama with all the good things that have happened in the last seven year, and It's only fitting that I don't credit him for all the bad either. Regardless of what you think of his actions, the constitution provides remedies. More importantly our Constitution provides check and balances. that prevent the executive branch of government to hold the power you think Obama has. The president of the United States may be the most powerful single person in the country, but he doesn't has the power you are assigning him. The Office of the President of the United States is always bigger than the person who hold it. Always has, Always will be. An affront to the person is an affront to the office.
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I find your statement unwarranted and indicative of an attitude that the permeates Conservative thought. The thing about the statement that I disagree with is...."he is loved and respected by the whole world" I disagree with that statement. I certainly don't love him..I don't need to, to defend him. I don't even need to agree with him., to disagree with you.
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I don't wish to discuss the in and outs of the whole thing. It really doesn't matter to me. Here's the proof, come 2017 we will have a different president. That's why we are built the way we are. No matter what Obama will not be president. So at this time the poinst becomes mute. But the president set about the President, is not over. And wont be in 2017, no matter who is elected. Those thing that are your opinion, or for that matter would be democrats opinion about Republican.. will not change. The disagreement of ideas. not matter what those ideas are or action are. Will diminish our President no matter who he is. No president is going to have agreement with everybody. So it's the office that will come under attack not the person. your attempt to make an accusation a fact, when that accusation cannot be acted on by the government is slander to the presidency. no matter the truth of the accusation.
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well, okay I was mistaken as to who said it, so it that regard, maybe I can see your point.. no matter who said it, I did not read the statement as from you.....I not that stupid. I read it like you intended it facetiously. My point is still valid. As I don't agree with bijou either. I certainly don't agree with the overly defensive posture of those that support Obama. As I don't support OBama the way they do. Just let's say I don't like liberals that play into your hand. Just because bijou wrong, doesn't make you right
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your attempt to make an accusation a fact, when that accusation cannot be acted on by the government is slander to the presidency. no matter the truth of the accusation
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TY for your condolences Maggie. I agree it's tragic too. GBU, Gavin
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I wish I could explain to you how I feel about the statement. I can tell you, it has nothing to with Obama, and only the President of the United States, regardless of who occupies the position. but I'm sure you can't understand that. I throw around people's intent in here a lot. I never think of it as good or bad. just what it is. I can say I don't like Adolpho intent, and such don't like Adolpho. The intent comes first, not what he says. You can make the same statement to me, about me, and I wouldn't take offense. I do take offense about Obama, because it's not about him , it's about the President of the United States. The ideas you have of him, are impeachable offenses. Without impeachment, the ideas you have of him become slander. Your opinion may appear to be widespread within your circles but It not in the real world. Obama has done nothing, to warrant the statement, other than your opinion of a direction you see he's leading the country. I doubt that any Liberal candidate could withstand that thought from you. So it not about Obama, it's about direction and it's about liberals The next liberal president will come under the same gun. So it's not about Obama it's about the President of the United States and your disagreement with the voters I think the general condition of the country, at this moment, speaks volumes about, the lack of credibility your statement holds. I certainly don't credit OBama with all the good things that have happened in the last seven year, and It's only fitting that I don't credit him for all the bad either. Regardless of what you think of his actions, the constitution provides remedies. More importantly our Constitution provides check and balances. that prevent the executive branch of government to hold the power you think Obama has. The president of the United States may be the most powerful single person in the country, but he doesn't has the power you are assigning him. The Office of the President of the United States is always bigger than the person who hold it. Always has, Always will be. An affront to the person is an affront to the office. It appears that you and I perceive the world differently, and we also perceive our government, it's leaders, and our roles as citizens differently. Thanks for commenting and GBU, Gavin PS: Not debating your intent, but from a technical and legal standpoint slander doesn't apply in this case. That's not a criticism of you or your sentiments. Only a technical clarification.
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Just for the record folks, I will never agree to blind obedience to any leader just because they hold the office. My thanks to all who commented here, and GBU all, Gavin
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The accusations here by the right, that they believe to be the sword of the right, Only serve to be the shield of left. It is beyond ridiculous!..That they know not what they do. You folks believe your truth will mean something, and will make a difference When, the only difference it makes is that an indefensible liberal position becomes defensible. You create a backlash so intense, the point gets lost and you lose. . Leafy's got it right....no matter what I say......You folks are going to hang yourself. I'm done, Trying to show the light of plausible intent, when all you do is keep the light blazing on your own ridiculousness. I can only hope the rest of the conservative America doesn't agree with you or you are doomed, and that parts I agree with you are also doomed..
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Hi Jiminy It appears that you and I perceive the world differently, and we also perceive our government, it's leaders, and our roles as citizens differently. Thanks for commenting and GBU, Gavin PS: Not debating your intent, but from a technical and legal standpoint slander doesn't apply in this case. That's not a criticism of you or your sentiments. Only a technical clarification. you have every right, no one is saying you don't I have two words in your statement that I find offensive. That I find those word unreasonable and prejudicial to spout off. You can believe it, you just shouldn't say it. To say it you have to have proof, which is impossible for you to have "I believe that Barack Obama is deliberately trying to bring about the downfall of the USA" "And I think it's all intentional" deliberate and intentional, goes beyond your right to spout off, even if you believe it. If you were to remove those word, I could disagree, but wouldn't have a problem with it.
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Gavin, you have every right, no one is saying you don't I have two words in your statement that I find offensive. That I find those word unreasonable and prejudicial to spout off. You can believe it, you just shouldn't say it. To say it you have to have proof, which is impossible for you to have "I believe that Barack Obama is deliberately trying to bring about the downfall of the USA" "And I think it's all intentional" deliberate and intentional, goes beyond your right to spout off, even if you believe it. If you were to remove those word, I could disagree, but wouldn't have a problem with it. Don't tell me what words I can say or not say. Your side hasn't defeated free speech yet. GBU, Gavin
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You can say The president is causing the downfall of the US..I can disagree with the statement , but I would not disagree with your right to say it If you say the president is deliberately causing the downfall of the US I will disagree with the statement and your right to say it You cannot know the Presidents intent, and when that intent you acknowledge is a crime, then it is unreasonable and slanderous, to the presidency of the United States. If in fact no charges have been made by the government. You have every right to think it, but my opinion is you have no right to say it. It is my explanation of what offends me...And I guess to you, I don't have that right.
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You can say The president is causing the downfall of the US..I can disagree with the statement , but I would not disagree with your right to say it If you say the president is deliberately causing the downfall of the US I will disagree with the statement and your right to say it You cannot know the Presidents intent, and when that intent you acknowledge is a crime, then it is unreasonable and slanderous, to the presidency of the United States. If in fact no charges have been made by the government. You have every right to think it, but my opinion is you have no right to say it. It is my explanation of what offends me...And I guess to you, I don't have that right. Obama is intentionally and deliberately trying to destroy the USA. Obama is intentionally and deliberately trying to destroy the USA. Obama is intentionally and deliberately trying to destroy the USA. Obama is intentionally and deliberately trying to destroy the USA. Obama is intentionally and deliberately trying to destroy the USA. If you don't think I have a RIGHT to say it then try suing me. Good luck. You have a right to be offended. And I'm sure you'll grasp at any opportunity to be offended. And I have a right not to care. And since my rights don't come from you, or the government, you can whine all you want and I STILL don't care. GBU, Gavin
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BTW, ask any lawyer. Actions can (and usually are) used to deduce intent. So from Obama's words and deeds, I've deduced that he's intentionally and deliberately trying to destroy the USA. GBU, Gavin
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Moondoggie, I hope you are treating Bijou with respect here, because she was very civil in her original comment to me I think. Your comment to her here looks a bit impolite, but I hope to think you meant no offense and it's just my inability to interpret it properly. Thanks and GBU, Gavin
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Jiminy, feel free to be enraged as much as you want. Obama is intentionally and deliberately trying to destroy the USA. Obama is intentionally and deliberately trying to destroy the USA. Obama is intentionally and deliberately trying to destroy the USA. Obama is intentionally and deliberately trying to destroy the USA. Obama is intentionally and deliberately trying to destroy the USA. If you don't think I have a RIGHT to say it then try suing me. Good luck. You have a right to be offended. And I'm sure you'll grasp at any opportunity to be offended. And I have a right not to care. And since my rights don't come from you, or the government, you can whine all you want and I STILL don't care. GBU, Gavin Like I said..... you folks just hang yourself.
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I just want to make sure people understand what your saying, and take it for what YOU intend it to mean. Now we know....Besides all the nasty things you say about Obama. we can add, traitor and criminal. Like I said..... you folks just hang yourself. "You folks?" "We" hang ourselves? -Not true. We just realize the noose that's being draped around our necks faster than "you folks". GBU, Gavin
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11/26/2015 7:11 am |
'Deliberately trying to bring to bring about the downfall of the US'? Good grief! You guys really are crazy! His policies may be misguided from a right wing perspective, but to seriously ascribe such a motive to him is beyond delusional.
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'Deliberately trying to bring to bring about the downfall of the US'? Good grief! You guys really are crazy! His policies may be misguided from a right wing perspective, but to seriously ascribe such a motive to him is beyond delusional. You lefties bandy about terms like "crazy" or "ridiculous" a lot, but never seem to be able to explain why you label that, nor do you respond when pressed to justify why you allege something to be crazy, delusional, or ridiculous. For you it's easier to try to dismiss the facts simply by labeling with terms you can't back up. GBU, Gavin
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Glad you finally understand. Yes. Traitor and criminal is obvious about Obama. What took you so long to understand the obvious? "You folks?" "We" hang ourselves? -Not true. We just realize the noose that's being draped around our necks faster than "you folks". GBU, Gavin I have learn, that the only person I believe to be a traitor and criminal is Gavin I believe Gavin has his first amendment rights, but those rights do not change my opinion I believe that only the crazy, delusional and ridiculous, don't know what crazy, delusional and ridiculous is. I believe that Gavin's, placating, scheming, and failure to say exactly what he mean, reminds me of Adolpho
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I have learn from this blog, that calling Obama a traitor and a criminal. is both wrong in it's perceived truth and it's untruth. I have learn, that the only person I believe to be a traitor and criminal is Gavin I believe Gavin has his first amendment rights, but those rights do not change my opinion I believe that only the crazy, delusional and ridiculous, don't know what crazy, delusional and ridiculous is. I believe that Gavin's, placating, scheming, and failure to say exactly what he mean, reminds me of Adolpho Would you kindly F off? GBU, Gavin
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