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sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
6/30/2017 3:59 pm

I have seen on this site that Republicans were bitter and resentful about Obama being the President.......they insist that it had nothing to do with race, but it obviously did....at least to some extent.........They seem to be relieved and empowered by having a President now who gives them permission through example to give voice to their racism and misogyny..........Trump is the last 50s President.......and these old Republicans are happy to be represented once again by a President who reflects their own 50s values.

Trump did after all, run on MAGA.......And what is MAGA but a return to 50's values.......an attitude that is in deep denial of Science.......The destruction of the EPA is going on at a rapid rate, Trump announced recently his new power plan......allowing unrestricted fracking, removing restrictions on oil-drilling in the oceans, removing clean air laws..........Yee Haw!!!!.......And the Republicans just sitting back and criticising concerned citizens for protesting. It looks insane to the rest of the world.........Ramping up the pollution and denying healthcare to the vulnerable.............A president who makes public statements that sound like they come from a madman and think it's all OK and normal..........Incredible.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
6/30/2017 7:40 pm

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Wow.....Incredible, coming from a Republican who writes an anti-Democrat blog every day, week after week, month after month etc............


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
7/1/2017 6:31 am

I can't seem to label Trump other than Trump, and he's a disgrace,

but beside that .....to try and figure out what makes Trumps supporters tick. Is pretty useless.

It's a conglomeration of people. many can be described the way you have described them. Yet there are many different agendas, and different emotions. But whatever the agenda is and the emotion is... the irony that's hard to digest is for the most part they conflict. People just don't want to deal with that conflict.

We have to get away from the idea that Trump is the identifier of his supporters. He's not.

It's interesting that maisie quickly responded, and in her response identified a good portion of Trump supporters. Trump supporter aren't about Trump.
In maise's case they are about Obama and Hillary and about Liberals.
The old saying "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".
but enemy identification, and friend identification has been turned on it's head.

We are going through a change. Were once it was the Liberals that lived in fantasyland avoiding reality. buying into the idea of seeing what could be, when it couldn't work.
Well things have changed, conservatives now see the world that way, Avoiding reality, by trying to change reality.
It's a choice they make to not see Trump for what he really is. They refuse to deal with the reality of Trump, by saying that reality is just made up, a lie. There is no rational to explain it. When you buy into a lie, you can't accept the truth.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
7/1/2017 7:21 am

What Trump has done is identify the manner in which his supporters operate the end results or goal maybe different, but Trump justifies what his supporter do and think, even if the end result are different.
I have always thought that with conservative the ends justify the means. I have said it numerous times.
The means is...... partial truths, deflections, misdirection, erroneous emphasis. fake news, alternative facts. and in some cases out and out lies, all justified to reach the desired goal.

Well Trump is taking on my argument, by emphasizing the means justify the ends.. It doesn't matter what you want, you can use partial truths, misdirection, alternative facts and lies as a means.
When I have said the ends justify the means...I figure people understand that, that you can only go far, before the means destroys the ends. My argument has always been about the means, not the ends.
Trump is arguing, my understanding, he is stating there is no limit to the means.
All means are good, if you get what you want. People like that idea, not to have to judge the means to their ends. And because of Trump... THEY DON'T.
That's what maisie has done here, she no longer needs to justify her means.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
7/1/2017 7:36 am

As the right read this they will say... It's just the opposite, Liberals do it.
They accuse Liberal of fake news, misdirection, alternative facts, and lies, to reach their goal.

but there is a DIFFERENCE.......

In the mind of the right.....the ends determine the truth. There is no such thing as fake news, alternative facts, misdirection and lies as a truth in itself. Only what it can be used for......It's the way they do it, and they assume it's the only way it's done.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
7/1/2017 8:01 am

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All anyone has to do...is look at the combination of all your comments on skariff's blog, or any blog for that matter. what you do is evident, just like what Trump does.

As what you do is NOT evident to you, so it is, that what Trump does is not evident to you.

You comments on this blog are a disgrace....Insulting, off point, misdirection, inappropriate, and a self serving view of the truth . It's only a purpose is to your ends, and to control your mindless followers.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
7/1/2017 8:12 am

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Pointing out that Trump insults himself, and you insult yourself. May seem to you as being picked on.. as an end unto itself, as having a purpose........but there doesn't have to be an end, or a purpose, to point something out. Even though that's all YOU ever do.
It's only what YOU make of it, and it's your choice not ours.
Denying it, doesn't change the fact that you and Trump do it to yourself.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
7/1/2017 8:34 am

This site is a microism of this country and it's problem.

We no longer discuss issues, but the means to an end.

As the Trump Administration continually points out, that we need to discuss the issues. not the means to an end. All they talk about is the means and not the ends.
What else, are we to talk about?

They don"t talk about the Travel ban, They talk about the means to create a travel ban
They don't talk about healthcare, they talk about the means, to repeal Obamacare.
They don't talk about foreign policy. they talk about the means to power and influence.
They don't talk about tax reform, they talk about the means to get tax reform through.

They simply talk about every possible way to get what they want... they simply never talk about what they want.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
7/1/2017 9:00 am

This site is a microcosm of this country and it's problem.

We no longer discuss issues, but the means to an end.

As the Trump Administration continually points out, that we need to discuss the issues, and not his means to his end. All they talk about is the means and not the ends.
What else, are we to talk about?

They don"t talk about the Travel ban, They talk about the means to create a travel ban
They don't talk about healthcare, they talk about the means, to repeal Obamacare.
They don't talk about foreign policy. they talk about the means to power and influence.
They don't talk about tax reform, they talk about the means to get tax reform through.
They don't talk about immigration, they talk about walls, deportations, criminal activity, and denying citizenship.

They simply talk about every possible way to get what they want... they simply never talk about what they want. There is no discussion about what they want. It's a given.

When we think of the fascist state, the point is there are no issues, just ways of getting it done.
Trump is challenging the the truth of our democracy.
Just look at what happened. the issues of a Muslim ban, regulations, healthcare, immigration and soon to become tax reform and infrastructure. Aren't going to be discussed. They are going to dropped on US, he's going to bomb US with them.. Trump see himself as mandated to do whatever he damn well please.. There is no discussion. Everything Trump does is to avoid discussion of the issues. To him, there doesn't need to be a discussion. who are WE ....to now challenge him....His supporters go along with it.

So yes, I say the hell with issues, We are talking about what we need to talk about.
Choices, respect, freedom, rights, compassion and our Constitution. Without it issues don't mean squat didley.


Rentier1

7/1/2017 10:05 am

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I see that the Duchess of Dodge City hasn't lost her touch.


Rentier1

7/1/2017 10:06 am

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And the US has always been in first place.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
7/1/2017 10:30 am

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Walla........I once pointed out that very thing and was immediately shut down by someone who said that it had French roots but has entered the American vernacular and the American word is spelled "walla".........She also pointed out that I was being a snob and grammar police by using the French "version" of the word.Several others agreed with her and no one defended the French version.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
7/1/2017 8:43 pm

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Living in a country that has French as an official language, it does tend to make one cringe when seeing this kind of bastardisation. Especially since the pronunciation of walla is wrong ........It is a shame not to pronounce it the beautiful way it was intended......and the same applies to beaucoups.........I know I was trolled, but they are welcome to their vernacular.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
7/1/2017 8:50 pm

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I looked up the word "walla" and it means "swear to God" in Arabic.........


lilium6 74F
4498 posts
7/1/2017 9:36 pm

♪ You say 'voilà' and I say 'walla', you say 'beaucoup' and I say 'boocoo' ♫ ~ let's call the whole thing off 🐱


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
7/3/2017 5:19 am

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It's interesting, What has happened in the Middle east over the last eighty years.

The invasion from the West.... And the irony that the places where we gained the greatest strongholds are the places we have disrupted the most, and created our greatest enemies.

At one time, Iraq and Iran were middle East strongholds of our cultural invasion. they easily could have become stepping stones to a more stable Middle East.
But we weren't satisfied with just culture, We weren't satisfied with a slow assimilation. We wanted something back from them, they weren't willing to give.

We claimed to offer them FREEDOM, but you know what?
It wasn't FREE.


hobsonschoice 75F
3600 posts
7/20/2017 10:02 am

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Hey Block seems you forgot to give credit again.

Newt Gingrich
June 29 at 10:24am ·
The Democratic Party has no new ideas, no new solutions, and takes no responsibility for the disaster that is Obamacare. Instead of working with the Republicans on health care, they come up with these absurd, wild charges that Americans know aren't true. http://bit.ly/2sV9JgE