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.... In a recent blog posted about why someone would not vote for a candidate who supports overturning Roe vs Wade as they felt it was a bad law, I expressed my opinion as to why I thought it was a bad law. I was polite and even asked the blogger not to take any offense and I was sorry if they did. The next thing I know not only was my comments deleted but the entire blog was pulled. Well alas comes the pissed off, no response, read only blog. I was sternly chastised and told never to comment on any more blogs that she authors. OK I can live with that even though she states that she welcomes discussions and debates. Now comes the rationale, #1 Because I an a Man and have never been pregnant or carried a baby I have no right to my pro-life opinions on abortion. May I remind her and others that arguments do not have gender, people do. Her response to me has no validity because many women are pro-life too. So honestly is gender actually relevant? I think not. Because if she believed that than she should reject Roe v Wade because it was decided by 9 men (7-2)........premise #2 I have never adopted a child from an unwanted pregnancy. Do not spend any money to support aids babies or babies who are products of rape. OK suppose my neighbor comes to me and says "if you don't adopt my 3 children by noon tomorrow I will kill them". Clearly if I did not adopt them it would not justify those parents from killing them. This type of ad hominem argument is clearly flawed. I in no way say that myself and other pro-lifers are exempt from any responsibility and certain amounts of my charitable giving is directed to organizations that do help children of unwanted pregnancies and unwed mothers. This unfair argument is constantly directed at me so it really comes as no surprise........In conclusion I am saddened that probably I should have made no comment at all but I also have no regrets that I did. I will never apologize for asserting the rights of and giving a voice to those who have none, the lest among us and so precious in his sight.......the unborn. what a great thing it was to be a U S Marine... I'll be one till I die." ....Ted Williams |
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9/13/2008 5:08 am |
....One last thing, Just because I have strong disagreements on this subject with her I in no way mean any disrespect or animosity. She is a strong willed person and she has had her share of misfortune and she is to be admired for her individualism and strencth of character. As I told someone else not to long ago the differences we have are minor compared to the values that we share...... what a great thing it was to be a U S Marine... I'll be one till I die." ....Ted Williams
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 9/13/2008 5:59 am |
The Abortion issue is one that I won't even discuss because there are strong opinions one way or the other. Years ago, I was a Medicaid Caseload Worker. Part of my job was to issue Cards so that women could get abortions. One woman came in six months pregnant and wanting an abortion. I am not anti-abortion but six months is a baby, I don't care what others think. I got on the telephone, contacted Christian Churches and put her name on every prayer chain that I could find. I don't even have Christian Beliefs but I'll use that energy to save a child. I conveniently LOST documents needed to approve the case. Eventually I HAD to issue the card. I went home and cried. She called me a few days later, telling me that she couldn't do it. She had a baby boy. If Public Social Services finds out about it now, so what - They can't fire me because the boy is going on ten.  Somehow I don't think my Current Employer WallyWorld aka Sam's Club Cares. My darling girl, when are you going to understand that 'normal' isn't a virtue? It rather denotes a lack of courage." Aunt Frances - Practical Magic 
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9/13/2008 6:09 am |
Richard, I respectfully disagree with your stand on Roe vs Wade because I sincerely think the Mother should be the one making that choice. Would I have ever had an abortion? No! Would I encourage my family members to do so? No! However, I think the choice needs to be out there. We can always disagree.....it's when we get disagreeable that it becomes ugly. Thanks for your space my friend!
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9/13/2008 6:10 am |
I for one do NOT believe in abortions..I realize many many women feel it is their own bodies to do what they want with..my belief doesn't come from any religious group..it's how I personally feel..it is wrong to take a life..there are a few exceptions to abortion..if the mother's life is in danger..or a 'very' young person who was raped..the way I see it..pregnancies that occur because one is s3xually active..if they respect their bodies so much and feel they can do what they want with it..then take precautions to NOT get pregnant..just to take a life..if you play..you pay..simple as that..at least let the child be born..if you don't want it..give it up for adoption immediately..someone would adopt the child and give it a home filled with love..and I don't want to hear that crap about not all adoptive parents give kids a loving home..there are plenty of parents with their own kids..who don't give their own kids a loving home..they let them fend for themselves.. sorry 60mins..I didn't mean for this to be so long.. but this is one topic that does 'pissss' me off...I do believe women have taken this women's lib crap too far..
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9/13/2008 6:49 am |
I have always observed that people with STRONG opinions feel the need to give their's....this blog being one at point....we are all free to blog as we choose here.....and to allow those we choose to comment....my further observations have been that staying on issue and not making the issues a personal attack rarely happens here also!!!! I too respectfully disagree with YOUR stand on Roe vs Wade .... although I am AGAINST abortion.....and would NEVER have done it would NEVER encourage it....just as I am against war and would NEVER encouage it.. I do however have enough vision to see when either may be necessary. Living my life for the memories I will have....... not the regrets of what never was......
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9/13/2008 6:50 am |
HI 60 hope things are good for you. I just have one comment on your Blog. I just saw a case where the baby's "daddy",and yes I do believe they are baby's from the time they are conceived, wanted to keep and raise the baby him self and was trying to get the courts to stop her from having a an abortion. I never did see what happened in the end but I agree with June on this one too ...ditto Have a wonderful life  fluffy1
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 9/13/2008 7:09 am |
Richard Of course I have my own opinion of which one is personal and it was formed by seeing many abortions performed in a very big clinic. There are those that use it for a method of birth control and that is not right. Let me explain about a young lady that I know. She had 5 pregnancies and had 4 abortions. She let one of the babies be carried to full tern and live. There were abortions after that child and while she was married. The child choose to live with her grandmother. Should this young woman had had any of those other children they would have been totally unwanted children. There was another young lady in there and was having an abortion because her and her boyfriend had been heavy on drugs. There were many other cases and it isn't for anyone to decide except the female and her doctor. I stand with shertj...it's a womans right. But you can thank God Richard that you were never a part of a legal clinic and really saw the truth. The stories go from A to Z and each one was given the legal right between her and her doctor. (this is not to say that I worked in an abortion clinic) I'm looking to the future and it's out of sight, only in the end shall I take flight.
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9/13/2008 7:35 am |
I'm a late comer on this blog here and don't know exactly what caused the dissention except for the issue of abortion. I have my opinions just like everyone else and my standing is...If it is a life or death situation we should be given the right to choose. If it is as a means of birth control, it may be our right to choose, but then so is it our right to murder an intruder instead of just sending that intruder to prison. Everyone has a right to their own opinion..I respect others even if they are different from mine but this is mine.  The longest journeys begin with just one footstep
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9/13/2008 7:40 am |
That was a big decision Palin made to not abort her handicapped baby........maybe that was the right choice for her.......I personally would have thought long and hard become bringing a handicapped baby into this cruel world.... And if the baby could decide.......wonder what he would have wanted.....
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9/13/2008 8:48 am |
It's a womans right to not have children. It is not a womans right to kill the ones she allows to be conceived. There are too many ways to prevent unwanted pregnancies to rationalize the murder of unborn babies. What these women are doing is saying, I will sleep with whomever I wish, whenever I wish, without any type of contraceptive at all..because it is either inconvenient, or expensive, and if I get pregnant, I will kill the child. Please don't pull the rape, incest card on me....I doubt that the percentage of babies aborted for those reasons is very high..and it still is a baby..if you don't want it..give it away.  Belle
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9/13/2008 8:50 am |
Oh, I forgot...yes nads blog was necessary. She was upset, and she has a right to voice that. She is a loving, caring person with strong opinions...and gets to blog how she pleases.Belle
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9/13/2008 8:52 am |
I'm with you, June. I have a very black and white opinion on abortion, ever since watching some documentaries on the process of that procedure. It's balltearingly horrifying. I believe that life begins at conception and any cessation of that life, for whatever reason, however permissible in the eyes of the law, is murder, pure and simple. M-u-r-d-e-r. Shertj, I totally disagree with you that the decision should be with the mother (and her doctor). In principle you would allow the mother to decide whether that life inside of her should live or be murdered. That potentially makes her an accessory to murder. Of all the females who would carry a baby and consider abortion, how many of those would be of clear and sound mind to arrive at such a devastating decision? How many of those may want to have the baby aborted for selfish, unethical, immoral, shallowminded or other perverse a-social reasons? (read Star's story of one woman who couldn't go ahead with her abortion). I strongly disagree with the decision of life or death to be left with the mother. It may be her body but she doesn't own the body inside her. There are no reasons for abortion, whether the child is a product of rape, incest, whether the child is found to be handicapped through an ultrasound, or whether it would put the parents in any kind of difficulty, be it economical, practical or as a means of birth control. For everyone of these potential births there are solutions and we all know what they are. My daughter fell pregnant in high school. At that stage I had separated from her mother, although I would visit regularly every week, making sure all was well, bills were paid, children were spent quality time with, etc. When my wife rang me with the news I drove over and on arriving found my daughter crying, while my wife ranted and carried on as if the world had come to an end. Trying to quietly talk to Jacinta, being constantly interrupted by my wife with a neverending nonsense, I soon discovered that the subject of abortion had already been raised. The minute I heard that the house wasn't small enough for me. By the time I stopped I had at least convinced them to forget about abortion, but adoption was the next option discussed. Again I stood up to my wife (and the rest of the family) and insisted that Jacinta have the baby, keep the baby, finish her final year exams to go to university, I would support her in every way. When Paul was born and Jacinta came home from hospital with him she was promptly shown the door by her mother. She came to me, I found her appropriate accommodation two minutes walk from my home, furnished it, supported her financially, saw her through school, then university. Today she is a teacher, has been living in a happy relationship for the last twenty years, Paul is 24 years old and his wife is expecting later this year. Now, if I had allowed the decision to be made by my daughter, with the help of her mother, Paul would not be alive today. He would have been murdered for selfcentred reasons and how immoral is that!
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9/13/2008 9:02 am |
I have only one fault with pro-lifers. It has nothing to do with the sanctity of life, when conception begins, killing babies, gender rights, third trimester, or bad laws. It has to with Choice...Prolifers have the right to make choices on these things. What they believe to be right for them. Once they have made their choice .Their goal to take the choice from everyone else who believes differently. Is an aborted fetus in China, any different than an aborted fetus in the US? The issue here should not be local, by worldwide. Being right doesn't give you the RIGHT!... If you win...where would I hang my coat? With nothing to hang it on!
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9/13/2008 9:03 am |
In agreement with Belle's comment about the necessity of Ladynad's blog. Yes it was necessary because she felt the need to write it...just as your blog here was necessary to you. You aren't the exception here. She deserves as much right to blog as do you. "Wisdom doesn't necessarily come with age. Sometimes age just shows up all by itself."
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9/13/2008 9:22 am |
Richard Have you ever sat down with a person that was raised in an orphanage or a person who was born illegitimate? Or an unwanted child? Did my mother try to abort me, yes but she failed at the task. Guess when we get to Florida I will allow you that chance!!!! Now you no why I can be very out going on this subject. The Unwanted Child I'm looking to the future and it's out of sight, only in the end shall I take flight.
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9/13/2008 10:00 am |
Belle I am sure she has the right to be upset but at me for expressing my rationale as she certainly did..... what a great thing it was to be a U S Marine... I'll be one till I die." ....Ted Williams
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9/13/2008 10:11 am |
....I had no Idea that this blog would bring to light another myth to justify abortion on demand. A woman has the right to control her own body. This is very true but "the unborn entity within the pregnant woman's body is not part of her body. The conceptus is a genetically distinct entity with its own unique and individual gender, blood type, bone-structure, and genetic code. Although the unborn entity is attached to its mother, it is not part of her. To say that the unborn entity is part of its mother is to claim that the mother possesses four legs, two heads, two noses, and -- with the case of a male conceptus -- a penis and two testicles. Furthermore, since scientists have been able to achieve conception in a petri dish in the case of the "test-tube" baby, and this conceptus if it has white parents can be transferred to the body of a black woman and be born white, we know conclusively that the unborn is not part of the pregnant woman's body. Certainly a woman has a right to control her own body, "but the unborn entity, though for a time living inside her body, is not part of her body. Hence, abortion is not justified, since no one's right to personal autonomy is so strong that it permits the arbitrary execution of others. In this respect this argument also begs the question, because it assumes that the unborn are not fully human." Francis J Beckwith what a great thing it was to be a U S Marine... I'll be one till I die." ....Ted Williams
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9/13/2008 10:21 am |
Daisy Mae That type of thinking gets me a little stiffed. Since when does a normal child have the ability to be more happy than a handicap one. Quite the contrary as many young normal children struggle with the notion that they must "fit in" "be popular" and all the other pressures society puts on them. Peer pressure is almost unheard of in downs children. When I see a downs baby I do not see a handicap but I sure see the love that his parents have for him/her. you will be hard pressed to find a downs or any other hanicappped child to admit they should have been aborted.... what a great thing it was to be a U S Marine... I'll be one till I die." ....Ted Williams
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9/13/2008 11:25 am |
That was a big decision Palin made to not abort her handicapped baby........maybe that was the right choice for her.......I personally would have thought long and hard become bringing a handicapped baby into this cruel world.... And if the baby could decide.......wonder what he would have wanted..... To answer your question...If the baby could decide whether to live or die, I'll bet the resounding answer would be YES!
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9/13/2008 11:26 am |
....One last thing, Just because I have strong disagreements on this subject with her I in no way mean any disrespect or animosity. She is a strong willed person and she has had her share of misfortune and she is to be admired for her individualism and strencth of character. As I told someone else not to long ago the differences we have are minor compared to the values that we share...... As I wrote in Bijou's blog about this same subject, Lady's "no read" blog wasn't about abortion, it was about the nasty remarks and name calling that some feel necessary. What you wrote in Lady's blog was just you...expressing your views on the subject...which I found nothing wrong with. I know that Lady's decision to hide her blog was out of frustration because of the other blogger she mention. I applaud both you and Lady for having the courage of your convictions to stand up for what you believe in. You know what it's like to be attacked unfairly...Lady feels the same and I think you were caught in the cross fire. What you've written here about Lady shows that you are a good person, that realizes people have feelings and while we may not agree on much, we can all agree that we are all in this together. Life...ya gotta love it!
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9/13/2008 1:08 pm |
greyfox..thanks for agreeing with me on this subject..I commend you on helping your daughter..some parents prefer to bury their heads in the sand..I know lots of daddies would look the other way..then there would be no responsibility..I remember my niece getting pregnant at 15..she was planning on having an abortion..she asked me what I thought..(we're very close)..I told her exactly how I felt..but I would still love her for whatever choice she made..but if she chose abortion..I would lose respect for her..well..she ended up having the baby..raised him for maybe 6 months..then went back to school..little by little my brother and his wife started taking over because she wanted to be with her friends..she eventually got married..had a daughter..and Clint..the baby who was almost not born...well..he's 24 now and he and his wife recently had their 2nd baby.. murder is murder..once that baby is conceived..it is a life..abortion is NOT birth control..there are plenty of methods for birth control..so there is no excuse..getting pregnant to trap a man into marriage is not the way...then getting an abortion when he doesn't want to get married..I feel..that if someone has an abortion..it's only the coward's way out..for selfish reasons...which I'm sure are many..
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9/13/2008 2:52 pm |
I'm not heartless......quite the contrary..... My niece was born with Spina Bifada........her Mother almost dies during the many,many, hours of labor..... This child had suffered more than any human being ever should have.....the Shunt in her head has to be replaced often..... She has head aches all the time....she would not be here today if her parents weren't always with her......and she feels guilty that her mom can't do any thing like other Mom's..... I'm sure her parents wouldn't have aborted her even if they could back then.... Sarah Palin has a special needs child......he needs nurtering from his Mother......I hope he will get it....
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9/13/2008 3:51 pm |
I have no idea what the blog referenced here was because I didn't see or read it. What I do know is thank goodness abortion wasn't legal or I wouldn't have a son and grandson now. Had we been able to have children we would. But, we did talk about adopting because there are so many children in this world who need a home. We had this discussion before finding out he couldn't, so we were prepared. We waited almost two years for our son and would of applied for a girl when he was legalized, but the abortion law had come into place. The home already had so many on the waiting list that they could take no more applications. So, our son was an only child. I have known those who had children who were handicapped and handicapped families who adopted. We would of taken a special needs child had we been able to financially, but we couldn't. Star, I have a lot of respect for you and your feelings on human life. I too worked in a Welfare office in MS where they brought small children and yet were sitting there pregnant. It took all I had not to say something when the children were tired and hungry and the "mother" would slap them around. The system is so flawed, in my opinion, in letting unwanted children stay with these people. There are so many of us who would cherish having these children in our homes. It's just not fair to the child!! And, most foster homes, well I'm not going there. Knowing me and my respect for human life no matter the age, I would let someone hurt/kill me before I'd lift a finger to hurt them. The morals in this country have reached a point where life means nothing to so many and it is so sad. Like others wrote, if you do the deed, be prepared to suffer the sometimes unwanted consequences. God put us on this earth to procreate and have families, not just people! This is a very strong issue with me and my thoughts won't be changing. I just wish that others could see the real reason for having a child. I have a lot of respect for those, no matter the age, who have these children knowing there's a chance they may have to raise them alone. I'd rather save a life than take a life!!!     What will be will be. Time will show me.
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9/13/2008 4:20 pm |
Thanks Daisy Mae for your clarification as there are always levels of severity in all handicaps. My heart goes out to all parents that provide care to severly handicapped children. It sounds like your niece's baby had the most severe form of spina bifada. With todays technology, birth defects can be identified early and yes a childs ability to function and quality of life after birth needs to be a consideration to justify an abortion. what a great thing it was to be a U S Marine... I'll be one till I die." ....Ted Williams
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9/13/2008 6:23 pm |
Abortion is murder - there is no other way to look at it.
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9/14/2008 9:59 am |
Sleekbeauty, If our mother's had aborted us.......we wouldn't be here. WHAT is wrong with these people????? Why would people NOT use birthcontrol pills or other prevention methods. As Senator McCain said when asked about when he thought a fetus was a child....(and I strongly agree) his comment was "FROM THE MOMENT OF CONCEPTION". I think T=shirts should be printed up with this slogan..perhaps it may save a few lives. YES, I am for adoption. I see young 14-16 year olds who have babies and are NO WAY ready or capable of taking care of a child....ADOPTION GIVES THIS CHILD A LIFE and a childless couple the chance to love and nurture this child into adulthood.
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10/12/2008 11:05 am |
I am a mother of 5 children, along with 2 miscarriages.Only one was "planned".I could never even think of abortion as a reality.I do believe that the pregnant moms who do this should have their own lives "aborted". I have morals, but believe an eye for an eye in such cases. Unborn children cannot voice their opinions, so it is morally wrong, and murder of the innocent. Like you can take da girl outta Pittsburgh, but don't even try to take Pittsburgh outta da girl
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