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5/13/2008 1:10 pm |
i became a citizen just a few days before 9/11 and i'm very proud to be an american. whenever i hear the national anthem, i stand and put my hand over my heart, and sometimes i even sing. same with the pledge of allegiance. it's my way of saying i appreciate my freedom and showing respect for the people who fought to gain that freedom. last week i was at a car show, and they played the national anthem. people on the street stopped, looked toward the music, and listened. then two young men, probably in their early 20s, walked by, making smart aleck remarks about america. perhaps they thought they were being cool, but i felt sad that they were so rude and disrespectful.
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5/13/2008 1:17 pm |
Interesting question, Richard. If the students' choice not to stand during the Pledge can be construed by the court as "speech," then it's protected by the Constitution's First Amendment. "Speech" need not be either verbal or written. In the 1976 Buckley v Valeo case, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that contributing money to candidates for elective office is political "speech" and is First Amendment protected, although with restrictions.
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 5/13/2008 1:34 pm |
Guess you never saw the movie, "The Breakfast Club". I'm looking to the future and it's out of sight, only in the end shall I take flight.
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5/13/2008 2:29 pm |
ISS-In School Suspension...the kids go to a quiet (hopefully) room and do their classwork in there--without being in the halls with their friends for class changes, electives, or lunch. The woman who runs our ISS runs it so tightly that the kids usually try to stay out of there. They have to earn the right to use a pencil for their work and they get 0's if they don't do their work. As for standing for the pledge. In Texas, it is a law...the pledges (to the U.S. and the Texas flags) must be said in school daily--and one minute of silence observed. You do not have to say the pledge, but you must stand. I have seen kids ticketed and fined for not doing so. When you go to a public school, you are under their aegis and must obey their rules. If you don't want your child to stand for the pledge, home-school him. This is how it should be... [image]
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5/13/2008 2:33 pm |
60min, I think they should stand and recite. How else will they learn patriotism if it isn't practiced.
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5/13/2008 3:30 pm |
If the children are going to American schools, they should recite the pledge, as it is Americans who are contributing to their education.
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5/13/2008 3:31 pm |
I would love to know what their reason was for not standing... I know one thing for sure...if any of my 3 sons did that when they were in 8th grade, they wouldn't have been able to sit for awhile. Life...ya gotta love it!
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5/13/2008 3:34 pm |
Personally I would like to see prayer brought back in to the school. At least give them a moment to pray. If you don't want to then that would be your choice. But instead now we have freedom "from" religion. And no freedomof religion. Sad state of affairs. And one day this country will pay for it. Windyone53
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5/13/2008 3:57 pm |
...Great blog, 60minman...unfortunately the ACLU will probably prevail under current federal laws if they pursue this...is a contradiction between freedom of speech and the right to denial...and patriotism and beliefs...
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5/13/2008 4:01 pm |
...LovetheCoast...Welcome to America lady!!!...We are better for having you here now!!!
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5/13/2008 4:14 pm |
What a "sticky" situation. Didn't read the article, but assume these kids are from another country. The student handbook says STAND during the pledge. I'm sure the student handbook also says to obey all rules of the school. So if a teacher tells the class to be seated and three students choose not to there is no difference. They are not obeying the handbook rules. I certainly hope the ACLU does not prevail in this case.
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5/13/2008 4:29 pm |
Great Responses Thank you everyone.....For once nobody beat me up........big smile cause its lobstahhhhh time.....
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5/13/2008 5:45 pm |
Sometimes you gotta wonder just what side the ACLU is really on. Or maybe, what they're on.
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5/13/2008 7:04 pm |
I agree that the youngstters need to follow the rules. maybe they were never taught tha the PRIVELIGE of being in this country and at least standing with respect for the pledge is no small thing. I,ve fought in countrys where that level of dis respect could be cause for instent beheading. I don,t agree with their behavior, But thank God we live in a country where they cant be beheaded for being little a--holes. As to the crapheads making the smart ass remarks during the National Anthem, I,ve got a bunch of bullet holes in me that might have cost them some teeth, In memory of a bunch of Damn good men that aren,t here to do it for themselvs.....Soldier.
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5/13/2008 8:09 pm |
I think if they are in america whether citizen or not should stand out of respect. Home school if they don't want to follow the rules like someone said. We were just talking about this very thing in our school. Some students sit when O Canada is on and that is because of their religion.  Luvshack   
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 5/13/2008 8:39 pm |
60 min, good blog, I had not been aware of this. I do hope the ACLU does not prevail on this one...that "body language" of this type does not find protection under "freedom of speech" but rather school rule will win out. Lovethecoast, how wonderful to have you become an American citizen...congratulations and welcome to you!
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5/14/2008 12:55 am |
I'm not an American citizen and don't know the school-rules, but in general I like to say, it is disrespect to the country.I've visited in the U.S. of A. and while the Anthem has been played, I stand out of respect; besides I like the American Anthem very much! Don't know the reason for this ill-fitted behavior of the kids, but I teached my own kids respect for the flag and anthem of our country in an early age. It's all in the up bringing and sad they acted that way.
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5/14/2008 5:13 am |
here in the uk we are not citizens we are subjects -- subjects to the monarch of the time , we enjoy freedoms simmilair to the usa and are duty bound to keep the kings/ queens peace and our anthem god save the queen / king like the stars and stripes invokes equally deep respect far too many have perished in upholding the queens peace, those who do not stand should hide their head in shame for there are thousands who can no longer stand ,their armed service duty in fighting for queen and country has put them into a wheel chair dont think that all youngsters are disrespectfull , when remeberance days are observed in the uk the countries youth are well presented in the army navy and airforce cadets training now to protect our future ~~ lest we forget
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5/14/2008 5:55 am |
this wasnt a protest or it wasnt about them being from another country...the one boys mother asked him...why didnt you stand up??? and his answer? i dont know. we just didnt feel like it. one day in iss wont kill em! they need to learn respect. kellyc aka saucy
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5/14/2008 5:57 am |
ohhh 60, ISS is horrible i did it once and never wanted to again. you sit quietly in a room, and do homework. no talking no sleeping, and if ya didnt have homework we had to copy the dictionary. in school works better, cause they still gotta be there, not at home doin what they want. i never thought out of school suspension was much of a punishment! kellyc aka saucy
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5/14/2008 7:20 am |
60, One more word. Well, one more post! LOL I dated a Brit for 10 years and met a lot of his friends. When they were in the USA and the Star Spangled Banner was played, they put their hand over their hearts and looked at the flag and even sang the song. Many had worked in the States and loved our country. My guy would even have a tear in his eye, the old softy ! (pssst, so did/do  .
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5/14/2008 12:02 pm |
during my visits to the USA I have always stood when the anthem is played,, its a mark of respect all should follow. ceejay2000
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5/14/2008 2:08 pm |
YO,60MINMAN, ...So you,r the one they all yell at. Tell you what Bubba, You send me a croker sack of them lobsters, and I,ll swear on a stack of bibles that you are a prince amongst men.,,,,,,DUBE
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5/15/2008 6:36 pm |
The pledge of "allegiance" should have been discarded long ago. I owe no allegiance to this country simply because I was born here. I pay my bills, my taxes, I don't annoy my neighbors, I vote, etc. That says it all. I don't owe this government anything else.
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5/15/2008 7:53 pm |
Well polylady after getting over the "shock" of your comment lets see just what you "owe". How about you are able to attend a church of your choice? Watch anything you want on TV? Pursue any occupation you desire? Go to sleep at night safe and secure? and most of all post something like this without fear of retribution........Lastly dont sit next to me when they are pledging allegiance to the Flag because I will pull you to your feet.
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5/16/2008 9:06 am |
I always stood during the Pledge but never said "under God". In my family we never approved that addition to the original version. The Pledge is part of being American, belief in God is not necessarily.
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5/16/2008 12:48 pm |
The ACLU seems to spend time and $$$$$$ on Stupid Causes rather than Real Issues where Civil Rights are Really Violate which is why they don't get My $$$$$$$$$ Geocaching To Places Beyond Your Wildest Dreams
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5/18/2008 9:38 am |
As 8th graders, these students are probably not making any kind of political statement about free speech. It is far more likely they are just lazy, defying authority, or too busy texting their friends to pay attention to what is going on around them. Breaking the rules of the handbook should not be a reason to have the ACLU involved in this case. The only reason they are is because it involves the pledge of allegiance and the ACLU would like to see that banned as patriotism and good citizneship are not on their agenda.
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