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.......As the health care debate rages on in SFF its easy to see that many (not all) in Europe and Canada are putting their two cents in on what America should do. This situation reminds me of a book I read not long ago about the American War between the States (Civil War) in 1860. A captured Confederate Soldier from Virginia was being interrogated and was asked " Why do you fight so hard and be so willing to die if you own no slaves?" his reply to the Federal Officer? "because you are on my land." I think th ats the attitude of most Americans. They are aware that your Government takes care of your health and they are also aware that you are heavily taxed for that privilege. We really don't want your input. We really don't care how good you have it. We are happy for you and want you to continue to send your tax dollars to your government. America will find a solution and it will be unique to this Country and the needs of its citizens. Whether you like it or not we really don't care. Was that arrogant? You bet it was. Just like that Rebel Soldier said, every time you chide us about our health care system we will tell you "You are on our land"....... " If guns kill people then pencils misspell words" |
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10/6/2009 5:55 pm |
Right on, 60MinMan! Especially those arrogant Cannucks. ROFL Isn't PEACE a wonderful thing?
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10/6/2009 6:27 pm |
AMEN
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10/6/2009 6:37 pm |
Good blog
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10/6/2009 6:43 pm |
AMEN!!!
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10/6/2009 6:48 pm |
You calling an internet site land?.....I don't see any fences, I don't see the border guards........where are the border guards......we can state our opinions all we want....I remain on my own land while writing these words......American politics are a hobby of mine....like you and your baseball.....You don't actually play baseball.....you don't have any control of what happens on the field....your only input is from the sidelines.......get it?
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10/6/2009 7:24 pm |
Very good analogy 60. Belle
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10/6/2009 7:40 pm |
Some people just don't understand when their input isn't wanted.
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10/6/2009 7:54 pm |
Some people just don't understand when their input isn't wanted.
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 10/6/2009 8:26 pm |
I never want your input, but that doesn't stop you. I must say though, you sure do spend a lot of time researching the websites just so you can blog and yank their chain. If they didn't respond back to you as they do, just think how unhappy you would be. 
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10/6/2009 9:42 pm |
Well said. It took me a long time to get here, but here I am now!
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10/6/2009 10:02 pm |
Hi Tom,  I think you have hit the nail on the head. I have been really good about not reading or responding to the blogs of those whom I know write things to just create a stir. Richard, you described the scenario pretty good. Yes, I am glad if others have a healthcare system that works for them, although if they were honest, it doesn't work all the time for everyone. One of my favorite Canucks just wrote about a horrible wait time for a MRI and surgery. I know that if I called my doctor and needed such a thing, it would be forth-coming a whole lot quicker than several months. And since this blog is about healthcare, what did you think of that horrendously staged photo shoot of the doctors at the White House? I read that they were hand picked, (no surprise, huh?) and told to all wear white lab coats..... do you know when the last time I saw ANY doctor wear a white lab coat? I don't either, and I have been a nurse for 30+ years. I think it might have been a few years ago, when I was a patient in a teaching hospital and the student doctors were dressed like that. Oh yeah, and on TV shows. What a laugh I got out of that picture. How dumb is he or whoever decided that this picture would convince the people that doctors favor his plan? "One love - one life time" from the Phantom of the Opera
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10/6/2009 10:30 pm |
Starphysh, you are full of it, lol. If the people who have an opposite view from you didn't leave comments on your blogs or leave a comment to your comments on other blogs, you would go nuts. You thrive off of the controversy it creates for you. I must say though, you sure do spend a lot of time researching the websites just so you can blog and yank their chain. If they didn't respond back to you as they do, just think how unhappy you would be. When you blog, you either have to accept the comments or you delete them or block.......Making rules about who can comment on certain subjects is ridiculous and it aint ever gonna happen......... I don't suppose 60 is the first blogger who has attempted to impose a set of rules of his making on the bloggers, but I'm surprised he would think he would get compliance....free speech and all that. Of course Rich will agree with with anything 60minman says......he always does......like a good little minion.I think perhaps they both worship at the altar of Rush Limpalls. By the way, I don't actually spend much time researching.....I have a wide, eclectic knowledge on many subjects and have always thought things through independently............self-education is one of my personal mandates and has been all my life, mentored by my father.......I have strong opinions,but they are not fed to me by a news network, they were formed from many sources and independent thinking.
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10/6/2009 10:54 pm |
Can't we just get along?   Bye for now! Thank you! .♥. ♫ ♥ ♫ ♥ DENVER ♫¨♥ .♫ ♥ ♫
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10/6/2009 11:00 pm |
Following your reasoning 60min...if only Americans are allowed to have and express, valid opinions about America then surely only Liberals are allowed to have valid opinions about Liberalism? And, of course, the same would go for Christianity, homosexualism, and all the other issues of society, right down the line...otherwise your statement here holds no weight. And that...if you practice what you preach...should mean an end to all your anti-liberal, homophobic, xenophobic, insular blogs. But I wont hold my breath...
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10/6/2009 11:45 pm |
It is extremely arrogant of you to assume that you know my motives. I do not thrive on controversy, but on honest and authentic exchange.........I do loathe mamby pamby conciliatory comments which only placate the blogger and are meaningless.I do appreciate authentic support and agreement however. I am not afraid of controversy,but that doesn't mean I want it.....I actually get quite upset when people throw insults at me that have no connection or relevancy to the blog at hand, like that handicapped shadow guy who keeps telling me how ugly I am......as if my facial features were relevant in any way to the subject at hand.......... When you blog, you either have to accept the comments or you delete them or block.......Making rules about who can comment on certain subjects is ridiculous and it aint ever gonna happen......... I don't suppose 60 is the first blogger who has attempted to impose a set of rules of his making on the bloggers, but I'm surprised he would think he would get compliance....free speech and all that. Of course Rich will agree with with anything 60minman says......he always does......like a good little minion.I think perhaps they both worship at the altar of Rush Limpalls. By the way, I don't actually spend much time researching.....I have a wide, eclectic knowledge on many subjects and have always thought things through independently............self-education is one of my personal mandates and has been all my life, mentored by my father.......I have strong opinions,but they are not fed to me by a news network, they were formed from many sources and independent thinking. 
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10/6/2009 11:52 pm |
MrsJoe.....You don't think 60minman tries to create a stir?
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 10/7/2009 1:41 am |
Good Morning My Friend Another good one  I'm looking to the future and it's out of sight, only in the end shall I take flight.
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10/7/2009 4:02 am |
I don’t recall reading any blogs in which a Canadian or anyone else has written ‘what America should do’. I have seen them write what they think of our health care system and when they do, it gets attacked by those of you who have better than average health coverage than most Americans. I wonder how the countless millions of Americans who have less than adequate or no health care coverage would respond the following: * Denied coverage for emergency visits at a preferred provider hospital, deductibles so high that a short hospital visit wasn't covered, and claims denied on a technicality * Over forty-three million people - 16 percent of the American people are uninsured. * Uninsurable due to pre-exisiting conditions. I heard yesterday on CNN that Domestic abuse is a pre-existing condition. * Insurance companies work like slaves to deny coverage to people. Not only do they refuse to sell insurance policies to people with pre-existing medical conditions, but they spend a great deal of energy trying to rescind coverage for patients who dare to rack up big medical bills. * Paltry or no raises or even a pay cut, chances are it's because your company is struggling to foot the bill for your health insurance premiums. The bottom line is that insurance companies can get away with gouging consumers because consumers don't really know that they're being gouged. * People who don't have insurance cannot afford to get good preventative care from a primary care physician and must therefore rely on emergency rooms for their medical needs. Needless to say, emergency-room care is really damn expensive, and having millions of people rely on it so heavily is another reason health care costs keep going up. Americans who have insurance have a tough time getting it to pay for their preventative care. * American doctors have to pay a ton of money for malpractice insurance and medical school. In other countries, doctors are far less likely to be sued successfully for large sums of money, and the government will pick up some or all of doctors' tabs for medical school. (French doctors typically pay less than $1,000 per year for malpractice insurance, while American doctors on average pay tens of thousands of dollars, even in states that cap malpractice awards. Because of this, American doctors are far less willing than doctors in other countries to take less money for the services they perform.) * The fear of bankruptcy that nags at millions of American families - that they are but one medical calamity away from losing everything. * Increasing deductibles, co-payments, and other out-of-pocket expenses, requiring them to make difficult decisions in order to make ends meet. I personally have never suggested that you model your Health Care Reform after the Canadian system of health care but I have a much better solution. Just wait until all those families are old enough to join SFF where they can write blogs defending an indefensible health care system. Fantasy land is a much nicer place than the real world, especially if you have insurance. A note to Mtnmom, it’s Canuck, only one ‘n’ dearie.
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10/7/2009 4:57 am |
No health care system works perfectly, since the health care workers on the front lines aren't perfect, and there will always be those who are looking for a way to screw it up for their own monetary advantage, in my humble opinion. I think that you can all agree that some changes are necessary. I don't comment on the political dilemmas other countries face since I think that we have problems of our own....but I do read with interest rational discussion. 
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10/7/2009 6:14 am |
So right.....the Rebel was fighting for our land........
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10/7/2009 6:23 am |
The world is a much smaller place now. We all see whats going on in every country. Being insular wont work. What will happen if China and Russia decide to get rid of the dollar???
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10/7/2009 7:02 am |
So right.....the Rebel was fighting for our land........
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10/7/2009 8:17 am |
Save your Confederate money, boys! The Southland's gonna rise again!  ....South has indeed risen from the ashes.......
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10/7/2009 8:53 am |
....South has indeed risen from the ashes.......
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10/7/2009 8:55 am |
MrsJoe.....You don't think 60minman tries to create a stir? I believe he is really trying to convince us of the validity of his views.
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10/7/2009 10:00 am |
I, for one, don't think he is, unlike some I could name - e.g. moi. I believe he is really trying to convince us of the validity of his views.
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10/7/2009 10:10 am |
I, for one, don't think he is, unlike some I could name - e.g. moi. I believe he is really trying to convince us of the validity of his views.
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10/7/2009 10:32 am |
So does mrsjoe think that a person who has to wait several months for an MRI because she cant afford it, should die waiting, while the person with private insurance can go to the top of the queue, get her MRI and if anything sinister is discovered in the scan, have it dealt with immediately. I would feel horribly guilty about the poor patient with no health insurance who had to die because she was way down the list of patients on waiting list. Shame. 2852
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10/7/2009 12:37 pm |
Good Grief!!!!You mean you think he actually believes the stuff he spouts?......You think he sincerely believes that discussing the events in his land is trespassing?....Do you think he actually believes that it's legitimate for the US to occupy and destroy the lands of others while the rest of the world should turn a blind eye.....No....no one could be that obtuse.
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10/7/2009 1:17 pm |
60min: It's correctly called "the War of Northern Aggression......"
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10/7/2009 1:24 pm |
Now Robyn, that isn't what I said at all. I was referencing a person in Canada, who of course has government paid insurance, and his wait for his MRI and surgery and comparing that to experiences here. I happen to know several people, some with and some without insurance who had no wait for a needed MRI or any other procedure. In fact, I do not know of any "waiting lists" for care here. I was among the uninsured for many years, and I never did without or had to wait for diagnostic tests or care. Even if the schedule is full at a testing site, like for mammograms, in the case of urgency, like finding a lump, they work a patient in almost immediately. Maybe it is different in other areas of our country, but this is the way it is in our area. "One love - one life time" from the Phantom of the Opera
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10/7/2009 1:37 pm |
60min: It's correctly called "the War of Northern Aggression......"
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10/7/2009 2:17 pm |
Starphysh, you are full of it, lol. If the people who have an opposite view from you didn't leave comments on your blogs or leave a comment to your comments on other blogs, you would go nuts. You thrive off of the controversy it creates for you. I must say though, you sure do spend a lot of time researching the websites just so you can blog and yank their chain. If they didn't respond back to you as they do, just think how unhappy you would be.  Shay2006.... Embarrassing my children......Just one more service I offer.  
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10/7/2009 4:05 pm |
BINGO!
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10/7/2009 4:43 pm |
Have another cookie  You must be slumming if you're only getting cookies Shay2006.... Embarrassing my children......Just one more service I offer.
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10/7/2009 5:38 pm |
60min...I share the feelings about outsiders talking crud about our nation's affairs...I read the same ones over and over trying to criticize you or others if they don't share their liberal views ...and in this case there are those that try to concoct a veil of rhetoric using the "internet has no borders" as a reason to be entitled to taunt you and others with their tainted twist. I see that one wrote that it isn't her intention to stir stuff up...I can't help but wonder if that is the case, why does she show her mug on every one of your blogs protesting whatever it is that you have to say about anything... I'm sure we all are old enough to know what "constructive" criticism is, but I'll bet very few realize that it is seldom, if ever, welcome by those it's given to...this isnt' even constructive by the farthest stretch of one's imagination... I wouldn't for a second think that there is anyone not entitled to the freedom of speech...too bad they don't have in them a way to present their views in a way that isn't so repulsive and confrontational...they'll never understand what it's like to be an American and as proud of it as you are...I'm sure it must be hard to see such a wonderful ideal from a distance and not be a part of it...it's just an indication they aren't as versed in tolerance as they demand of others...  man's heart away from nature becomes hard ~ standing bear~ or is that bare?
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10/7/2009 6:29 pm |
By George, willy, I think you've "got it"!!!
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10/7/2009 6:58 pm |
Thanks Willy you have said it better than I could...... " If guns kill people then pencils misspell words"
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10/7/2009 7:18 pm |
Good Grief!!!!You mean you think he actually believes the stuff he spouts?......You think he sincerely believes that discussing the events in his land is trespassing?....Do you think he actually believes that it's legitimate for the US to occupy and destroy the lands of others while the rest of the world should turn a blind eye.....No....no one could be that obtuse.
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10/8/2009 4:27 am |
You know Willy and 60 min and anyone else who wants to listen, I PROMISE ON MY BENDED KNEE, I WILL NEVER, EVER, EVER TALK ABOUT ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE U.S. OF A. AGAIN, FOR AS LONG AS I LIVE, ON SFF. Mrsjoe. I worked in a Surgery for 22 yrs here in Ireland and we do have a 2-tier system, where the rich come first, and the poor do have to wait for specialist appointments, sometimes for months. I remember a bed becoming available for someone once and she had died. Thats how it is, unfortunately. I know I promised before that I wouldnt interfere in US affairs but I mean it wholeheartedly now, Im tired of the whole thing and I have enough problems of my own.Im still looking forward to meeting 60min and entourage next year tho'
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10/8/2009 9:03 am |
You know Willy and 60 min and anyone else who wants to listen, I PROMISE ON MY BENDED KNEE, I WILL NEVER, EVER, EVER TALK ABOUT ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE U.S. OF A. AGAIN, FOR AS LONG AS I LIVE, ON SFF. Mrsjoe. I worked in a Surgery for 22 yrs here in Ireland and we do have a 2-tier system, where the rich come first, and the poor do have to wait for specialist appointments, sometimes for months. I remember a bed becoming available for someone once and she had died. Thats how it is, unfortunately. I know I promised before that I wouldnt interfere in US affairs but I mean it wholeheartedly now, Im tired of the whole thing and I have enough problems of my own.Im still looking forward to meeting 60min and entourage next year tho' Changing the subject, you will have a great time meeting people that you have "met" online. We may have vast differences of opinion on many subjects in our blogs, but underneath it all, we are just people, and probably have a lot more in common than we realize. "One love - one life time" from the Phantom of the Opera
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10/8/2009 9:16 am |
ROBYN You know America seems to be a beacon for the world. Every where I have traveled abroad once you let it be known your an American interest in you perks up. Seems like everyone has an interest in the USA. Im not saying that to be bragging but Americas influence is very broad. Your view of America is much different than mine. My first time in South Africa I went out to dinner with friends and wanted to show good table manners. In America that means you place one hand under the table while eating with a fork in the other. Everyone laughed at me as they used both hands as they pushed their food onto the fork with a knife. Cultures are different all over the world. This SFF community is international and misunderstanding of cultures is to be expected. Please dont feel any critism is personally directed at you. Its not. You have always been a lady and a lady you will remain......My best to you and CJC and I are so looking forward to the Dublin bash next year. " If guns kill people then pencils misspell words"
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10/8/2009 10:00 am |
60min..."I think th ats the attitude of most Americans. They are aware that your Government takes care of your health and they are also aware that you are heavily taxed for that privilege. We really don't want your input. We really don't care how good you have it. We are happy for you and want you to continue to send your tax dollars to your government." I think most Americans want good, affordable health care, and we will never have it without competition, doesn't matter if it's medicare for all, or another option which gives us a choice, other than going broke trying to stay alive. You would rather send our tax dollars, along with our savings to the insurance companies,,,billions of dollars in subsidies so they can sign up more customers they can cheat? Why not skip the middle man and just give them the money,,,we can save on the paperwork? Of course,,,those who already have a government funded insurance don't have to worry, do they? One more thing, the soldier may have been fighting "because you're down here", as I have read,,,but it was the rich, pretend royalty, who started the propaganda that led to the war, all because they wanted to continue to enslave other human beings. ackman1465: "60min: It's correctly called "the War of Northern Aggression......" DaisyMae100: "That's right....War of Northern Aggression....... And the "war of northern aggression is just more BS,,,who fired the first shot? If you don't want critical comments, or different opinions, ban everyone who disagrees with you, then you will only hear the "voices" of those who think like you. We have a problem in this country, and it doesn't hurt to have input from, or to study the health care systems of other countries, in order to find the best system for us. Twelve people an hour die in this country because they can't afford insurance, and the 20/80% split that most of us pay for treatment will increase in the near future to a 34/66% split because the SFC has approved a request from United Health Group to increase the percentage customers pay. Maybe some of you think this is a good system, but I don't. Good luck to all of us. stay safe
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10/8/2009 2:16 pm |
Hi 60min. Thank you for that and I do realize I have a lot to learn about the US and indeed everywhere really. I travelled to the US twice in my life, to my brother in law in Michigan and then again to Atlanta and Florida, so its a very small part of America I have seen. I honestly mean it when I say I wont talk about it again, it must be very frustrating for Americans to listen to. We have met so many Americans over the years here in Ireland, only recently in Powerscourt Waterfall where we met 3 young students who chatted to us and took our photos. We are all friends here in spite of our different views so PEACE UNTIL WE MEET IN IRELAND AND HAVE SOME CRAIC.!!!!!!Breda.
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10/9/2009 12:07 am |
Now starphysh, we only serve donuts at the Bingo Hall I attend You must be slumming if you're only getting cookies
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10/10/2009 7:40 pm |
No Health System is perfect. But if you say yours is the best in the USA or the world, please make sure that some tv stations know that. Or cut them off and only have Fox. You have to agree you are # 37 in the world in health care. What happened to the # 1 in everything. I do not care but I would feel guilty, I am safe who cares about others. I always sought Americans were fair. But you learn as you get older.
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11/1/2009 1:54 pm |
Hi Tom, I think you have hit the nail on the head. I have been really good about not reading or responding to the blogs of those whom I know write things to just create a stir. Richard, you described the scenario pretty good. Yes, I am glad if others have a healthcare system that works for them, although if they were honest, it doesn't work all the time for everyone. One of my favorite Canucks just wrote about a horrible wait time for a MRI and surgery. I know that if I called my doctor and needed such a thing, it would be forth-coming a whole lot quicker than several months. And since this blog is about healthcare, what did you think of that horrendously staged photo shoot of the doctors at the White House? I read that they were hand picked, (no surprise, huh?) and told to all wear white lab coats..... do you know when the last time I saw ANY doctor wear a white lab coat? I don't either, and I have been a nurse for 30+ years. I think it might have been a few years ago, when I was a patient in a teaching hospital and the student doctors were dressed like that. Oh yeah, and on TV shows. What a laugh I got out of that picture. How dumb is he or whoever decided that this picture would convince the people that doctors favor his plan? Health care is not a right--it's a privilege. It's a privilege that has extended our average life span from 45 yrs old in 1776 to 75 or 80 in 2009. Health care is something that people work for--they go to school, qualify for jobs, or work harder than anyone else in order to gain that reward. It is not a right. Get over it. Our rights are things like freedom of speech, the right to carry a gun, and the right to practice the religion of our choice. Our rights do not extend to imposing on someone else's rights--a FACT that our current politicians seem to have forgotten. Additionally, life is NOT fair. "Fair" is a place you can buy cotton-candy. We try to make life as equitable as possible within our own realm of influence, but it is not the government's right to tell me what "fair" is in any realm. And, if they want to fund a public option, let them do it out of their own damn money--not mine! They make a hell of a lot more money than we do...why don't they pony up a little cash? How many people in elected positions? About 500? Each one of them could fund a "free" clinic in their home state and that would go a long way toward easing the problem. But, no, the Democratic mantra is, "Let's do it, this is how YOU're going to pay for it!"
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11/4/2009 3:43 pm |
Ummm...... Sorry but just had to comment on this one. What was that about your land, & not getting involved in other countries politics. Mmmm..Your joking right??? Done a really good job of that in the last 60 years. Shouldn't health care be a basic human right to all? What are you scared of? You might have to pay a little extra so you have a healthy society? Have you ever traveled? Ever lived anywhere else? I'm an Australian living in Sweden(you know the that scary, scary socialist country that's been talked about over there). Besides all the unwritten social rules, how to behave at a office party, wedding, dinner, friends house & so on, it's a very free country with everyone entitled to the same rights. Woo scary indeed. Sorry.. Got to go. We are having our daily inspection by the police. "Coming, one minute commandant". Bye for now. James
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