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spiritwoman45
22314 posts
7/20/2014 5:11 pm
Explaining War



Spiritwoman ^i^


Rentier1

7/20/2014 5:43 pm

Or possibly because we keep building military forces.
We then treat soldiers as heroes when they go out and kill people for reason other than politicians telling them to do it.
This encourages other naive young men to join, and the cycle continues.


traveler56 77F
9560 posts
7/20/2014 5:52 pm

    Quoting Rentier1:
    Or possibly because we keep building military forces.
    We then treat soldiers as heroes when they go out and kill people for reason other than politicians telling them to do it.
    This encourages other naive young men to join, and the cycle continues.
Isn't that job creation?


Rocketship 79F
18558 posts
7/20/2014 7:05 pm

I agree Spirit.

It's a terrible situation.

We honour those who fought, were injured, or died in all these wars/conflicts, as they well deserve to be honoured!!

The reason for having these wars, in some cases, was suspect.

(I'm not just talking about wars involving the USA, but wars in general.)


spiritwoman45

7/20/2014 9:10 pm

    Quoting Rentier1:
    Or possibly because we keep building military forces.
    We then treat soldiers as heroes when they go out and kill people for reason other than politicians telling them to do it.
    This encourages other naive young men to join, and the cycle continues.
I think most who serve, especially now that they are volunteers, do so for many reasons, some being economic,some becasue being a soldier is their calling and some out of desire to help and protect, but unfortunately profit making business take advantage.

Spiritwoman ^i^


spiritwoman45

7/20/2014 9:11 pm

    Quoting  :

I would agree if evil is defined as taking advantage of others sincerity in order to make profit.

Spiritwoman ^i^


spiritwoman45

7/20/2014 9:13 pm

Now if we could focus the job creation on using their skills to solve the difficulties we face.............. Imagine what the power of the military could accomplish.

Spiritwoman ^i^


spiritwoman45

7/20/2014 9:15 pm

    Quoting Rocketship:
    I agree Spirit.

    It's a terrible situation.

    We honour those who fought, were injured, or died in all these wars/conflicts, as they well deserve to be honoured!!

    The reason for having these wars, in some cases, was suspect.

    (I'm not just talking about wars involving the USA, but wars in general.)
Unfortunately it is often a situation of money and sophistication taking advantage of the altruistic motives of those who do the work.

Spiritwoman ^i^


spiritwoman45

7/20/2014 9:18 pm

    Quoting  :

As I responded earlier - true and evil = profit for a few at the top of the food chain at the expense of the innocent.

Spiritwoman ^i^


spiritwoman45

7/20/2014 9:19 pm

    Quoting  :

Human greed and the need to dominate at it's best.

Spiritwoman ^i^


spiritwoman45

7/20/2014 9:25 pm

    Quoting  :

I agree no one wants war per se, but many businesses and industries don't mind the profits. Now if these industries were required to be non profit or if they were run directly by the military I do think we would see things play out far differently. The efforts to support WWII were a great example but even then companies all over the world managed to take advantage of the opportunity for profit. that is what makes me angry - the manipulation of peoples sentiments. loyalties and sincere motivations.

Spiritwoman ^i^


spiritwoman45

7/20/2014 9:32 pm

    Quoting  :

I have to wonder though if it will be or is even now possible to exist in any civilized country and not support these businesses in some way. I always felt I had to sell out, even though I worked in social services helping people but had to work to survive. I always wondered if this was a justification or a rationalization.

Spiritwoman ^i^


looklook 84M
3925 posts
7/20/2014 9:50 pm

Or human beings are fond of wars, spirit !!!


spiritwoman45

7/20/2014 11:30 pm

    Quoting miteehigh3:
    I noticed something in some of the responses. What I observed is that some people seem to believe that there is a poorly differentiated and objectively unprovable vague thing called "evil". I have observed other people say this before.

    I, speaking for myself, have never, ever, encountered "evil" as something that takes over people and causes them to act in ways that are socially unacceptable. I have however observed greed, arrogance, pride and ego cause these actions. I have observed some instances where definable psychological maladjustments... mental illnesses have caused certain individuals to act outside the norm. But I have never seen this thing called evil. I have seen actions that might be called evil but I don't believe that evil, in and of itself, exists as a causative force.

    I tend to think of this as something akin to a belief that satan exists or that the "devil made me do it"...but I have found, in my experience, that is often a poor and oftentimes lazy excuse for defining the problem for what it is.

    More to the topic of your blog, I think that your graphic is on point and that either religion, greed, natural resources, and philosophical differences are more likely to cause wars than this thing called "evil".

Like you I see neither evil or good as exterior forces but rather intrinsic elements of human behavior. I believe this is a concept more consistent with eastern than western philosophies so many here will not understand.

Spiritwoman ^i^


spiritwoman45

7/20/2014 11:31 pm

    Quoting looklook:
    Or human beings are fond of wars, spirit !!!
I am sure some are.

Spiritwoman ^i^


bijou624

7/21/2014 3:44 am

Hi Spirit: Notice how the politicians never go fight in the wars themselves. Every country is run by politicians, and their choosing sides probably depends more on how much money they and their rich friends can make from a war, not how many people have to die. The whole world seems to be in some kind of war right now. All the dead and injured, and the damage to the ozone layer from all these explosions must be extensive. This is so scary.


GavinLS2 69M
1525 posts
7/21/2014 4:10 am

I would tell my child: "Very few of us like or want wars. But we are forced into it by other people who want to harm us."

GBU,

Gavin


Hawkslayer 88M
13322 posts
7/21/2014 5:11 am

Too True!!

Alfie...


It only takes a drop of ink to make a million people think. There are many stories.


Rentier1

7/21/2014 6:59 am

    Quoting GavinLS2:
    I would tell my child: "Very few of us like or want wars. But we are forced into it by other people who want to harm us."

    GBU,

    Gavin
Sure.

Perhaps you could list all the wars the US has been in where the 'other people' wanted and had the capacity to harm you.

Lots want to harm you but don't have the means.

Fewer have the means, and have no intention of doing so.