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jiminycricket1 74M
5535 posts
1/8/2017 9:10 am
Obama's Legacy


I watched Obama being interviewed on TV this morning. I thought about JFK and all the president that have preceded Obama.
I never really trusted any of them. I didn't see people, I saw politicians.
I never thought of JFK as a politician
I don't think of Obama as a politician.

What happens behind closed door, I don't know. What they actually do, I barely have a clue.

But my sense of what kind of person they are is what I see.
From the clown of Jimmy Carter, the self serving of Bill Clinton, and the actor of Ronald Regan. The nondescript George Bush senior, and GW Bush stupidity.
It's what I gathered from their presidency, none of which will go down in history as a great President.
I trusted JFK and I trust Obama. Why? I don't know. It's the positive message, that inspires me. It's the bigger picture, that drowns out the faults of any specifics.

Obama response on Obamacare, and other negatives, was just amazing.
He sees it as meaningful, he gives the negatives, it's place. In fact he says that the way OUR democracy is suppose to work. Changes that beget changes, allows us to move forward and not stagnate. Obama, on Obamacare...said he doesn't care, what it becomes in name. He only care what it has done. It has brought Public Health to the forefront. Where it's been behind closed doors.
The idea of attempting to solve a problem , may not result in the solution, but it does ultimately solve itself, as long as WE keep at it....that again is the way our democracy works.

When asked what would be his one line legacy..
He first asked what JFK's response was.......answer: JFK one line was. "He didn't care what history thought".
Obama line was.. "He believes in OUR democracy"

This wasn't a speech, it wasn't prepared. It was man talking. In a world where I DON'T trust very much.... I trust Obama.

I know many of you can't even read this and separate ideology from the man.
I can. It's not about what the President does, it about what he's trying to do.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/8/2017 9:33 am

I hope others can see, what I see. Not because I want to be correct. But because, if we don't, we have bigger problems than ideology.
Obama is a good man. that's all I really care about. The rest SHOULD take care of itself.

No matter what you thought of JFK, or Obama. you can't destroy them.

JFK's belief about his legacy, and Obama's belief in OUR democracy. Has and will propel them though History.

Does Obama, fault and blame, the prejudice of others for his failure?
NO
He blames himself, for not completing the job he set out to do, But he still has a positive message from it, about OUR democracy, and about people voicing their opinions..

Of all the clowns, stupid, nondescript, self serving president, I have known, I'd take any of them over Trump. Trump is the worst of the worst.
Because with the others, I only saw a politician.
Trump, I only see the man.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/8/2017 10:04 am

I read some response to the Obama interview this morning. I was amazed, at the negative response.

I take solace in the fact that these people do not represent
America. They are extremists. who wish to change the truth. They are few in number, but have found and outlet and yell the loudest. Any possibility of their truth and is drowned out by their lack of humanity.
It's stated in a way, one cannot believe it to be true. It's made up shit.

I watched four black people terrorizing a white disabled person, It was appalling, a total lack of humanity.
This morning I read stuff, that also was also appalling, and a total lack of humanity.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/8/2017 10:47 am

I'm banned from commenting on DanDee's blog, I guess I'm persona non grata there.

But I have a point, about his Obama discussion, and Dan's innuedos.

Hobson, defended Obama.
Bob, said it doesn't matter now.

Well I agreed with those two, for both said the same thing.

It doesn't matter.

This kind of blog, that Dan wrote, services Dan, and his believe in the non- believable. Truly his lack of faith!

My trust in Obama, has absolutely zero to do with Dans blog. I don't even have think if his blog true or not.

Only Obama can destroy the trust I have in him.. He can't destroy it by his past. he can't destroy it by his ideology, he can't destroy it by innuendo.
Those thing don't matter to me, I trust someone because of what I think of them as person, and how that person relates to me.
Can i be fooled?...certainly I can
I can not tell the difference between someone who lives a lie, and someone who becomes the lie.
If the lie is not in the persons current state..... it becomes the person.
So Obama could have fooled me, it's possible, but at this point I don't care.
If there's anything we can say about Obama both positive and negative is that it's consistent.
Trump, on the other hand, may be living true, but in his current state he's living a lie. Nothing he ever says is written in stone. Nothing, nothing nothing, that is his lie.
There is no wool to be pulled over my eyes, on Trump. I get what i see and don't like it.
Obama, may be pulling the wool over my eyes, but I get what I see and I like it.
Apparently Dan is confused... He doesn't have faith in what sees, and has faith in what he doesn't see? Interesting? Current right wing Christianity, in a NUT shell.


hobsonschoice 75F
3600 posts
1/8/2017 10:58 am

Good blog. I wonder what he could have accomplished had the road blocks not been thrown up beginning on his day of Inauguration. It will be interesting to see what he and Michelle will do in the aftermath of his Presidency.

Simply put, Trump can't tell the truth, he has to spin everything to try to make himself look good. Trump has more "pants on fire" lies than any other candidate - EVER. Okay, I am guessing with EVER, I am sure someone has the statistics and will be most willing to jump in.


rainydayz 69F
145 posts
1/8/2017 3:31 pm

What an oxymoron, putting Obama and trust in the same sentence. He's the definition of liar.

“The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those that speak it.”


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/8/2017 3:51 pm

    Quoting  :

No, Donald Trump's victory is Hillary Clintons legacy.

You think Obama is a conspiracy, That's your first lie.
That Obama is in control of the Democratic Party, that's the second lie. Obama in the interview stated he regrets being to busy, to control the democrat party. His goal leaving office is to help Millennials understand, what going on. He never mentioned established Democrats, like Hillary
Third it's absurd to even think Obama would place his legacy in the hands of that woman! He just never thought about it.

Trump victory assures Obama's legacy. Hillary was the one that could have destroyed it.

But your narrow mind, is too narrow to see it.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/8/2017 4:09 pm

    Quoting rainydayz:
    What an oxymoron, putting Obama and trust in the same sentence. He's the definition of liar.
so let me give you that... as your OPINION.

What is your opinion of Trump. I don't have tell you the lies trump has told.

all you have to do is tell me ONE truth. other than "he's a winner"

let me ask you about Trump's truths.

He was going to prosecute crooked Hillary.
He's going to build a wall, and Mexico is going to pay fo it.
He going to deport 11 million illegals.
He going to make friends with Putin, and Putin would never hack US.
He would never touch that woman, that way.. just look at her.
He would like to screw his daughter....just look at her!
Wikileaks is a good thing, He likes them.
He's going to support the police
He's going to wipe iSIS off the face of the earth.
He's going make great, unbelievable deals
He's doesn't know "Joey No socks"
He's going to show us his tax return, when the audits are completed.

Okay , let's give him a chance. to do one thing, One thing that says he can tell the truth. I can wait, if you can understand.


bijou624

1/9/2017 2:41 am

Just wondering, did you delete my previous reply?


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/9/2017 7:03 am

    Quoting bijou624:
    Just wondering, did you delete my previous reply?
maybe

I don't know where it went,
i guess I deleted the first one as it was a duplicate. but left the second one , you may have deleted the second one sorry we both must have deleted at the same time..


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/9/2017 7:05 am

    Quoting  :

It's okay what YOU believe, even if I believe it's not true.

but again the proof will be in what history says.
I know it's impossible for you believe YOU could be wrong.

I know I could, but will let history determine, if I'm right or not.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/9/2017 7:12 am

    Quoting  :

Well, we really don't know what the truth is,
But when i say, I do not think of Obama or JFK as politicians... It's what I think.

I see the men, not the politicians, why is that?
Well I don't care,

It's what I see, you go ahead and see it different. But I'm pretty discerning when it comes to that.. Ideology makes no difference.

I was too young to understand whether or not, I agreed with Kennedy's ideology
I understood, Obama's, but even so, it didn't matter. I'm talking about the man, not the ideology.


hobsonschoice 75F
3600 posts
1/9/2017 10:04 am

    Quoting  :

"Obama dreams of putting men in women's bathrooms and showers"? You are claiming that is a fact? Time to move on if this is the first "fact" you can come up with. Do you really consider these ridiculous comments facts?


hobsonschoice 75F
3600 posts
1/9/2017 10:15 am

    Quoting  :

Can you disprove you're not a pervert? If not, then it must be true? Isn't that the same premise you're working off?


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/9/2017 11:00 am

    Quoting LeafSweeper:
    Hi Cricket, gee thanks for this blog. It made me think. My first sentiment aligns with Hobsonschoice. President Obama could have been an incredibly dynamic leader propelling us full speed ahead into the future had harmful obstruction not prevailed. That obstruction, in my view, was perpetrated by right wing subversives overcome by a dangerous thirst for power over patriotism and drive in large measure by race. I'm proud of America for electing this man twice. We are already a better country for having made that decision. As I look into the future for the purposes of looking back historically, a few conclusions emerge. First, you cannot escape the question nobody will ever be able to answer. Would Hillary have beaten McCain, and if that answer is yes would Romney have ever emerged. It's an interesting question and how history may have unfolded is a fascinating discussion. I don't think there is any guarantee of less obstruction, but I can't imagine more of it. We just will never know. But Obama far exceeded my expectations and this presidency was successful in spite of the obstruction. Obama had the grace, intellect, and vision to guide America through the mess that GW Bush left behind. He got no help from the republican party. There were things I wish Obama had done differently. It bothered me that he didn't go to Flint right away and insist that federal support for an aggressive and immediate correction of the water catastrophe be pursed. Just as troubling was the congressional failure to act. Had he done so I'm not so sure Trump wins Michigan. It was the right thing to do and that was disappointing. I fully support the Iran deal and our exit from Iraq and Afghanistan, in spite of ISIS. I also support the Syria policy. The chemical weapons had to go and Obama and Kerry played that out brilliantly. Was it perfect no, but ultimately you have to take that outcome regardless. Foreign policy is never predictable. There were other things, the Brexit vote that Britain will regret, the problem of North Korea that I think will ultimately lead to war, unless Trump decides to just give them what they want...a peace treaty. One way or another this one will end badly I think.

    But Obama could be trusted to be the calm voice in the midst of chaos. His team was competent all the way through. That is no small thing.

    What comes next is very, very concerning. America, and the world will be skating on thin ice until Trump is gone. I give Trump no more that 15 percent chance of success. He has put together a horrible cabinet. Only Homeland Security and Defense were decent choices. I don't think Trump will listen to either of them.
Thank you great post,

I'm just not as fearful as you.
I believe the Republicans will come to their senses, and dispose of Trump. He will be a one term president, or less guaranteed. They will make sure of that, as much as they dine together, they really don't have a problem eating their own.

I don't need to think like McConnell, to make a non-relection my only purpose.
I don't need to do anything.

From my standpoint of POSSIBILITIES, Trump election was the best thing that could have happened. Granted there is a risk in that philosophy, but faith in America is warranted to offset that.
Without faith, there would be no hope.
Without faith it just wouldn't have mattered which way it went.
I'm prepared to accept the consequences, for either way, right or wrong, will be the way it had to be. This is just a test, a test of who WE are.. like all the tests that come before this.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/9/2017 11:24 am

leaf,

My thoughts about the election, was that Hillary guaranteed, the separation of US, would have grown and continued. I thought that was the second worse thing that could happen.

The first worse thing was a Trump election, that would not continue the separation but could destroy US. But that wasn't guaranteed, in fact in my mind unlikely. What didn't destroys US, would make US stronger.

What is being proven is that Trump is no Adolph Hilter. His message is not disguised in self honor. He has no purpose, but to self-enrich, by hook or crook. He has no morals, not even "bad" morals for people to follow.. He can not get away with it. No matter what he thinks of himself.

That's the risk I was willing to take.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/9/2017 11:47 am

leaf,

There is something you need to appreciate now.

How irony works, how failures are but disguised successes.

Trump has given your message more power, than you could have hope for.

All the battles you now wage. you now wage with winning the war.

The question is what are going to do with it?

Are you going prove how right you were, or how wrong they were?

Are you going to do, what they actually fear you are going to do
Or are you actually going to do, what you say, you were going to do

Is gun control, what you going to with your power, or are you going to take all the guns away?.

That the questions you need to ask yourself now. What is your intent?


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/9/2017 12:51 pm

    Quoting hobsonschoice:
    Can you disprove you're not a pervert? If not, then it must be true? Isn't that the same premise you're working off?


LOL, not at you

When you're talking to an idiot,

HOW could you possibly expect him to understand..

but I understood, and it was really good.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/9/2017 12:55 pm

    Quoting  :

You are a pervert!
You just don't know it.
but you can't hide it from us.

It like hiding behind a cross, and then burning it.
Somehow the meaning gets changed.

Burnt any crosses lately?


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/9/2017 1:03 pm

Can you disprove you're not a pervert? If not, then it must be true? Isn't that the same premise you're working off? hobson.

Don't take my response to big, to mean i didn't understand, I did

But he didn't.
So he got my response,
I'm just letting the idiot believe, what he wants to believe.

I still think it was ingenious. LOL


hobsonschoice 75F
3600 posts
1/9/2017 1:16 pm

    Quoting  :

I want you to tell me Obama's dreams...


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/9/2017 1:49 pm

    Quoting  :

Well, nice response...... I like it when I'm proven right, it happens so rarely!

now to disprove your facts....

I don't need to do that, I don't care to dispute your fact, just your conclusions.

It's the conclusions a "perverted mind" can come up with.

Maybe perverted is the wrong word... How about convoluted?

There are other possibilities, you know, like idiotic, narrow-minded, pathethic or prophetic. How about just ignorant!


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/9/2017 1:56 pm

big,

I sorry I pick on you. you may be the only one that speaks his mind on your side of the fence.

It's as admirable as it is ignorant.

But without you, and sometimes ranger, no one on your side fence would ever know what the truth is.


hobsonschoice 75F
3600 posts
1/24/2017 10:47 am

    Quoting  :

The "facts" you have posted were lifted from an article/blog in the WorldNetDaily:

THE 44TH PRESIDENT
Obama's legacy: Deceit and deconstruction
Exclusive: Mychal Massie offers end-of-term analysis a few months early
Published: 05/30/2016 at 7:20 PM


You shouldn't consider them as "facts". You should, however, give credit to the author.