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jiminycricket1 74M
5535 posts
12/6/2016 12:30 pm
Flag Burning,


I guess with a "loaded" Supreme court. We may outlaw flag burning and give severe penalties for doing so. It's indicative of a direction, but I think it's indicative of the wrong direction. I will find it amazing to me, which Supreme court justice could vote to outlaw flag burning, it has nothing to do with flag burning, it has to do with the failure of the a Supreme Justice to believe in Constitutional law.

Is flag burning a First Amendment right. well if you believe in the first amendment it is... Flag burning cannot be considered outside the first amendment.........BECAUSE FLAG BURNING... IS THE FIRST AMENDMENT.

Overcoming the first amendment Is unbelievable It's the first amendment for Christ's sake

Someone who shout's obscenities about America, is okay because it's the right of free speech, Someone who would vote for a communist government is okay because of the right to vote. Someone who own massive weapons, is okay under the second amendment.

Burning a flag is different, than someone shouting out obscenities about America?
I don't see it.

It's a rocky road we are traveling on......
Flag burning
Obscenities.
"bad stuff" about America.
finally just disagreement is all it will take, to destroy the First Amendment.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
12/6/2016 12:39 pm

Real Americans believe in the first Amendment. Above all others


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
12/6/2016 1:22 pm

Okay, you want a question,

"Is flag burning, a part of free speech, and is encompassed in the First Amendment?"

My position is let's say 90% of the people in this country want flag burning to be outlawed and penalties assessed for doing it.

My opinion of the main issue in the election, was the Supreme Court not being Liberal or Conservative.

the scenario of 90% of this country being for outlawing flag burning is exactly the reason I see the need of a non-populist Supreme Court.
What I believe .....is that in regards to the Supreme Court, , what the people want doesn't matter, the Constitution matters. If the people want to go against the Constitution, then they need to change the Constitution, and not make laws that go against the current Constitution.
The Supreme Court tells them that.


hermitinthecity 70M
1696 posts
12/6/2016 10:25 pm

If a Syrian, Iranian, German etc burnt his/her flag, would they be cheered or put down? I shudder to think in this day of crazies the some of the answers to that .......
I'd never burn a flag from any country. It's disrespectful as said above. But why even the thought of doing it? It makes more sense to fight against those who are ruining their country, whichever country it is.

Judgment Day will be interesting - and all paths lead there.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
12/6/2016 11:26 pm

    Quoting Fossil_Fetcher:
    Yes, it is "free speech" which is allowed under the First Amendment. Personally, I don't think it should be, but it is the law of the land and we all have to live with it. However, Jiminy, blocking freeways and paying protesters to disrupt Trump rallies and not legal either - but they get a pass. Are they protected as free speech under the same amendment?

    Fossil

first I want to thank you for the reasonable answer.

If people want flag burning to be outlawed. then change the constitution that is the way it suppose to go.

The other stuff you mentioned is or should be outlawed for separate reasons, than flag burning like. Illegal demonstration, obstruction that sort of thing.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
12/7/2016 10:31 am

    Quoting  :

Thank you for the response, very good.

Okay my interpretation is not literal.
Free Speech is not just the spoken words.

Also, i just don't see a "flag burning", as we are discussing, anything but speech.
As you may be looking at literal interpretations, if someone was freezing and burnt the flag to stay warm, does that mean a penalty?
The ideas expressed here, are all about what flag burning SAYS.
Literally it may not be free speech. but as we discuss it, that's what it is.

What your also saying also, is that a flag can't be owned. ownership rights would be under attack. Think of the second amendment, those that oppose are also attacking ownership rights.

I also disagree that five men you are talking about can ordain anything.
That's also our disagreement, as to how we view the Supreme Court.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
12/7/2016 10:59 am

    Quoting LeafSweeper:
    I don't mind burning the Confederate flag. In fact, anyone who defends that flag is a blatant racist, period. But I don't like to see the American flag burned. It's not the most offensive thing, American gun owners are in my view because of their paranoid and hateful attitudes, their record of domestic abuse, crime, kid killing, poaching and carelessness. It's a non-issue frankly and the court has other matters it needs to focus on, like racist motivated conservative gerrymandering and unconstitutional voter suppression.
So let me get this straight, you're for burning some flags.. Depending on your preference? Isn't that what everyone is saying?
That this issue is not a whole more than that.
That the decision on this doesn't matter, there's bigger fish to fry?

Pretty narrow-minded...Don't you think?


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
12/8/2016 2:31 pm

    Quoting  :

They don't create laws.

They don't ordain, they dis-ordain.

They take it away, they don't add it.
They interpret, they don't create..
A Supreme Court judge limits the law
A Supreme Court judge, save us from ourselves.