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PERSONAL ATTACKS AND FREEDOM OF SPEECH THERE HAS BEEN A BLOG PUT UP BY 60MINMAN......AN ATTACK ON ME BECAUSE OF MY POLITICAL VIEWS....AND, FRANKLY, THOSE ALSO SHARED BY A GOOD PERCENTAGE OF THE POPULATION OF THIS COUNTRY. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE MEMBERS OF SENIOR FRIEND FINDERS YOUR OPINIONS. CAN ONLY 60 SPEAK? IS EVERYONE ELSE WHO IS VOCAL AND OF THE OPPOSITE OPINION TO BE DENIED FREEDOM OF SPEECH? I HAVE IGNORED THIS POOR EXCUSE FOR AN INTELLIGENT HUMAN BEING FOR THE LAST FEW MONTHS. AFTER REPEATED ATTACKS, I BLOCKED HIM....AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO. I HAVE PURPOSELY NOT...LET ME REPEAT...NOT POSTED....SOME OPINIONS SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE OF THIS INDIVIDUAL. BUT, WHY SHOULD I BE RESTRAINED? HE IS NOT, AND HAS NOT BEEN AT ANY TIME. WHEN I FIRST CAME ON SFF, HE WAS HORRID TO THE EXTENT THAT I ALMOST QUIT SFF. AND I KNOW I AM NOT THE ONLY INDIVIDUAL WHO HAS BEEN THE OBJECT OF HIS CONTINUED DISRESPECT; ATTACKS; AND ERRATIC, SEEMINGLY UNBALANCED BEHAVIOR. A DAY OR SO AGO, I POSTED TO SOMEONE ELSE'S BLOG----NOT, LET ME REPEAT---NOT----TO ONE PUT UP BY 60. HIS RESPONSE HAS BEEN AN ATTACK, WHEN HE COULD HAVE EMPLOYED A MODICUM OF WISDOM AND ALLOWED ME TO HAVE AN OPINION, AS I FREELY ALLOWED HIm. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN SFF THAT IS AS FRUSTRATED WITH THIS BEHAVIOR AS I? I AM TIRED OF YOU, 60. YOU ARE AN OBNOXIOUS, INSIDIOUS, OVERBEARING, HATEFUL, VICIOUS, UNPRINCIPLED BORE....WHOSE MAIN PURPOSE IN LIFE SEEMS TO BE CRAMMING YOUR OPINIONS DOWN THE THROATS OF OTHERS.....AND TO HELL WITH FREEDOM OF SPEECH. YOU OPINION IS THAT YOU CAN SPEAK-----NO ONE ELSE IS ALLOWED AN OPINION UNLESS IT AGREES WITH YOURS. AND, THE MORE YOU RANT, RAVE, AND ATTACK ME AND OTHERS FOR OUR PERSONAL OPINIONS, THE MORE UNBALANCED YOU APPEAR. I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S TIME YET, 60, FOR ME TO RAISE MY RIGHT ARM IN A STIFF SALUTE AND SAY, "HEIL", YET......AND IT WON'T BE......AS LONG AS THERE IS BREATH LEFT IN MY BODY....TO SPEAK THAT WHICH I BELIEVE.....AND I DON'T THINK I'M MISTAKEN IN MY FIRM BELIEF THAT FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS STILL GUARANTEED BY THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. SENIOR FRIEND FINDERS.....WHAT ARE YOUR OPINIONS? MY OPINION IS THAT 60 NEEDS TO CHECK INTO THE VA. THE DICHOTOMY IS THAT HE "SAYS" HE FOUGHT FOR AMERICA.......YET ALL HIS RANTING, RAVING, AND ATTACKING IS TARGETED AT OTHERS' OPINIONS....FREEDOM OF SPEECH. HIS BEHAVIOR BELIES THE FACT THAT HE BELIEVES IN HIS RIGHTS......BUT NEVER THOSE OF OTHERS. HOW UNAMERICAN CAN ONE BECOME? |
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8/16/2008 2:46 pm |
Ed, thank you for that explanation. As I have said often before, this venue is not the least conducive to understanding....but certainly leans toward misunderstanding. I appreciate your thought. Ed, it all comes down to consciousness. We choose the level at which we wish to be comfortable, and in which we wish to behave. I would NEVER be comfortable around anyone like 60. I am sure you understand the impulse that motivated me to jump to the conclusion that I did. And, I apologize to you for putting you on a level with 60. Thank you again for explaining this to me.
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8/16/2008 11:37 am |
LOL.Looks like some of those BIG DOGS I have been warned against disagreeing with have been frequenting this blog as well.. Still have to laugh at the women rushing into blogs swearing , My HUBBY DID NUTTIN, HE IS INNOCENT !!!!!!! 
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8/16/2008 11:19 am |
Sherti.....thank you so much. I really appreciate that. You have no concept of how happy that makes me! For him to suggest knowing 60 to me is the epitome of absurdity. YUCK! As far as alienating you, Ed, Rope, and the rest of 60's little protective cadre, I haven't the slightest qualms at seeing all of you take a long hike. Enjoy yourselves.....it's a wonderfully cool and cloudy day in Texas...perfect for such an outing. Hope it's as nice where you are. AND....yes....I DO know it all when it pertains to me. YOU know nothing that pertains to me.....with the exception of what you perceive through your already colored glasses. And, again, your decision to not visit my blog and keep your husband away just delights me endlessly.
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8/15/2008 1:46 am |
ED.....roflroflroflroflroflroflroflroflroflroflroflroflroflroflrofl! Surely, you jest! For you to have the audacity to suggest that I might "enjoy" such "differences" as 60 embraces is indicative of your mindset, lack of any perception of level of consciousness, total lack of understanding of his behavior....which tells me "birds of a feather flock together"....in reference to you. He's a bully. I don't like bullies. I've learned in life that bullies are NOT brave. They are scared little boys peeing their pants because they are "wannabes".....without the balls to "BE"....all "mouth"....and precious little else. The brave are those who: 1. are endlessly bullied and continue to go back 2. endure the bully because they can go nowhere else 3. those who cut them off at the knees because they are tired of their disgusting behavior. Do not insult me by suggesting I might ever even have a conversation with this bottom feeding pretender. There are few people I dislike. 60 has worked with diligence to achieve that status with me. And my opinion will not change....after watching him since I came to SFF 12-19-07. LOL ROFL I suggest you file your opinion in the appropriate location.....ROFLROFLROFL!
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8/11/2008 2:12 pm |
Hi Lucky: I understand that it is very upsetting to log in and see that another member has written a derogatory blog with your name in the title. The same thing has happened to me about four times now, and I was shocked that anyone would intentionally do something so cruel. I really can't understand why your opinion affected Richard so much that he would try to embarrass or hurt your feelings, but I hope you can be the bigger person and get past this and just carry on as usual. I don't understand why we all can't just state our own opinions to these blogs without getting insulted. Sure never expected all this fighting in a seniors group.
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8/11/2008 1:42 pm |
LuckyLady-- Don't take anything political personal! When it comes to politics NOBODY is RIGHT all the TIME and NOBODY is WRONG all the TIME! It has nothing to do with Right--Left--Conservative--Liberal--Republican--Democrat-Independent--Libertarian--Green--WHAT EVER? If you say ANYTHING--be ready! As far as 60minman goes. He has lost touch with what is going on in the real world. BLESS YOUR HEART! YOU'RE NOT ALONE! If you were to go back and read his blog--Change That I Believe In You would find he offended other people. TxJW was the man I felt was most adequate at bringing him to task. . . within that blog. Later Gets responded with a blog of his own--it was called-- [post 88073] 60minman of course wrote a rebuttal--MY Response to GETS response to 60MINMANS Blog about Change I Can Believe In Gets responded within that blog! Give it some time and once in awhile he says things that actually make sense too. If you debate you side strong enough he'll back down on issues and change. (Not often--but it has happened.) If you want to talk politics--RELAX--HAVE some formidable, interesting discussions. Debate back and forth. Exchange information. Have fun. Respect each other. Get heated sometimes-- but learn when to back off and regroup. Then come back when your not so fired up and start off after you've done some new research and you have some new ammunition.  That'll GET HIM!! THE BEST TO BOTH OF YOU !!  ~The World According To Spunky~ ---------------------------------- "Highly intelligent and well-informed people disagree on every political issue. Therefore, intelligence and knowledge are useless for making decisions, because if any of that stuff helped, then all the smart people would have the same opinions. So use your "gut instinct" to make voting choices. That is exactly like being clueless, but with the added advantage that you'll feel as if your random vote preserved democracy." ~Scott Adams~
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I don't often read blogs anymore...simply because of the unrest in blogland. I heard about this blog in the chatroom and it sparked my curiousity. It seems the fight is becoming much more entertaining to many bloggers than the written expression. I can live better without that negative energy. As for 60Min...I have read him in the past about three times. With me, three strikes and you're OUT. lol. I will not read him again. Too military, uptight and narrow-minded for my liking. I'm sure he would find my blogs flighty and useless as they are not political. Who cares??? You seem a super intelligent lady and I hate to see you waste your energy on this. As long as there are no personal threats or anything else as harmful, freedom of speech goes both ways. It seems to me you are both doing your share of 'attacking' and if I have him pegged right, he is likely just loving it too. Ciao for now. PrairieSky
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8/11/2008 10:17 am |
The reference to Hitler that you wrote in another blog was way out of line....I'm thinking a chill pill might do you some good as well. Life...ya gotta love it!
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8/11/2008 9:47 am |
He has made outright false accusations against me and others , then wrote a blog lying about it . ..Some defend him , saying he is exercising his right to free speech .but then some defend a buddy no matter how wrong he /she is , and they don't bother even asking if true or false , just run with it He is an ignorant , arrogant azz and I doubt the marines would even own him as one of their own .
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I believe those who have the strongest opinions seem opposed to others with strong opinions when they differ from their own.....that is just the nature of people. I also believe we all the the right o post what we want...I avoid politics..ON HERE as it is way to hard to debate it with any sense of decorum...most seem to feel the NEED to try to pressure other to believe THEIR way and we ALL KNOW that is not going to happen especially on here. Yelling louder & more often does NOT make anyone correct in their thinking...IMHO...RED Some believe in destiny, some believe in fate. I believe that happiness is something we create
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8/11/2008 9:35 am |
Judge Not, Lest Ye Be Judged floatingleaf...
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8/11/2008 9:32 am |
I think there are some topics that one should try to avoid when on here. and it will lessen the eternal bickering. politics, religion and sex taken to the extreme are create potential volatile situations. may I suggest being simply nice to each other and not say things that might excalate into unmanageable proportions? I initially agreed with your ideas Lucky Lady, but we all have our own opinions and the only thing I truly dislike is hurling insults and venom at each other on here. it is unlady-like and hopefully 60min doesnt react with ungentleman-like demeanor again. I agree sometimes 60min can become a pain but he is also human and makes mistakes just like you do sis. anyway 'nuff said. love ya guys! peace! {{HUGZ}}  ~~~~~~~~~~~ "Our prime purpose in this life is to help others. And if you can't help them, at least don't hurt them". ~Dalai Lama
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8/11/2008 9:13 am |
LL,I support your right to free speech,and I support 60's,too. I do not think you,as an individual,should suffer any more restraint than you would put on 60.You do believe in 60'right to free speech,also,don't you? I enjoy reading the points of view of others.Yours and 60's. I think you are both getting your speedos all lathered up over nothing. If a president goes in a direction you don't like,speak up! Be heard,have a voice! I have adamantly opposed Bush's position on some issues.Yet I am glad Al Gore or Jon Carey did not win the presidency. Lets see what time has to say looking back on these times. I also believe there is a fair percentage of the population that has a blind,irrational,hysterical hatred of Bush and anything he would do.It doesn't matter what it is,what direction,these people would oppose and criticize it. I give these people no credibility or respect.They run on pure venom.They don't care about truth,what is right,or this country or its grand children.The only thing that matters to them is hate Bush. Write freely,but I also respect that someone might write an opposing point of view.
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8/11/2008 9:01 am |
I'm still trying to figure out how the purchase of a sunroom is exponential to the validity of one's political views.  My sunroom still has a leaky roof. Does that mean my opinions do not "hold any water" either? Anyway LuckyLady, I guess this was your vent. It has become fashionable, of late, on SFF. I think I should write a venting blog too..... a rant about unscrupulous sunroom installers, you think?
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8/11/2008 8:47 am |
I believe we all deserve our opinions whether we agree with one another or not that said I can't agree with your comments about him. He is opinionated but then again perhaps a closer look at your own thinking and trying to keep an open mind may be in order. I have had my share of political or belief based disagreements with 60 Minuteman but I won't condem him! I did not feel he was attacking you just telling you how he felt! I do not like our President either but Rich did fight for your right to be able to state yours! I do believe Rich is an honorable man! Why don't you both just keep your distance and agree to disagree instead of writing blogs about one another drawing up sides that is, I think, rather juvinile!
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8/11/2008 8:46 am |
My problem is that 60 was not addressed, spoken to, referred to, or even considered when I wrote that post a couple of days ago---to someone else's blog.....not 60's....since I have avoided his for months. And, CG, his overt attacks may not state, but are attempts to silence me......which, I will tell you now, will never be done. I have no problem with him. He had written a post. I said nothing to him. I simply stated my opinion a few posts later.....which I have refrained from doing for several months simply to avoid this kind of problem that has occurred previously. BUT....you see his response. 60 has a problem in that he can't read or hear what another says without understanding it isn't: #1 his business, #2 requiring a response from him, #3 it is NOT a personal attack....simply another human's opinion #4 an espression of freedom of speech. That bothers me. I do not treat him in this manner. This man has a problem. And, I am not the only one....and the blog in which I expressed my opinion is not the only..........in a long, long series of disagreeble encounters 60 has had with others. CG, is it too much to ask to be able to state what one thinks and feels without a "big deal" being created, blown up, manufactured by another? This was TOTALLY unnecessary, uncalled for, and useless. I am tired, CG, of being "drawn and quartered" every time I state an opinion. This ole boy says he fought for our country and freedoms....you sure can't prove it by me.
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