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ltw222 75M
5490 posts
12/29/2007 12:41 am
Patient dies after 30 hospitals rejected her


I read in the papers this morning that in Osaka, Japan, an 89-year-old woman died after an ambulance crew spent two hours trying 30 hospitals before finding one that would accept her for treatment.
The woman's family called an ambulance early on Tuesday morning after she vomited and had diarrhoea. The ambulance crew and local fire department contacted 30 hospitals before one of them finally agreed to admit her. That was about two hours after her family had called for an ambulance. The woman's heart stopped when she was taken to the hospital. She was resuscitated at the hospital but died on Wednesday. Other hospitals had rejected the woman, claiming they were full or that their doctors are not immediately available to treat her.
Last year, a pregnant woman in western Japan died after being refused admission by about 20 hospitals that said they were full.
How can this be happening in a developed country like Japan? What about other countries? Is this happening, too?

Lee


Live today as if it is your last
For tomorrow will soon be in the past


lissibarlow 65F

12/29/2007 1:28 am

The Trouble Is None Of Us Want To Pay More Taxes,So All Our Medical Resources Are Budgeted, SO When A Busy Period Comes , Hospitals cant Cope .We Must Look At Ourselves As Well As Our Governments . Jan x


bijou624

12/29/2007 5:24 am

Hi LTW: The same thing is happening in Canada to. We have free health care here but sadly we have a critical shortage of doctors. A few specialists in my city drive a Ferrari or a Lamborghini to work, so they must be doing o.k. financially but still many of Canada's doctors have gone to work for the HMOs in the U.S. where they can make even more money.

In the city where I live the emergency room is overflowing with people who have no family doctor. Ambulances with expensive paramedics and sick patients in them are often left waiting outside the hospital, or told to go to another hospital in some other nearby city.

Even though we have this doctor shortage here, there are people who clog up the doctors offices, walk in clinics, and the ER every time they sneeze or have an ache or pain. Have we become a nation of hypochondriacs?

In the area where I live, there are only four psychiatrists for 400,000 people so there's no point in even getting worried or depressed about the situation.


Katie_au_lait 78F
7026 posts
12/29/2007 5:42 am

We are fortunate in the UK because we have a health service which is obliged by law to treat emergencies. we are unlikely to be turned away...though it has happened on an odd occasion. What does happen more and more regularly is that people(for some reason mostly the elderly) often have to wait on trolleys for many hours till beds become availlable.

But, human growth and overpopulation is approaching crisis levels all over the world. Because of the many breakthroughs in medical science, people are living longer, we have lower infant mortality rates, bad diets, more allergies because of pollution etc. Even our great health service is being strained to the limits.

I agree with Lissi...we must look to ourselves for blame...as long as we continue to vote for the political parties that promise lower taxes, we do ourselves...and our fellow human beings...a disservice.

I'm sad to say it, but Still is right on the nail...money rules, life is cheap, and compassion...or even just normal respect for fellow humans, is becoming a thing of the past.


SasySheBear 66F

12/29/2007 8:32 am

Bijou is right. Canada is getting to the point that you either, "pay up or shut up". With the shortage of doctors, there is a shortage of medical care. And its only going to get worst until the governement steps up to the plate and does something. But we wont hold our breath waiting for that miracle to happen anytime in the near future.


whiterose06 68F
146 posts
12/29/2007 10:34 pm

Flakes wrote
>So far I have not heard anything of such nature about the General hospitals in K.L. But once when I passed through the emergence area in the General Hospital..the place was packed!
Unfortunately the General Hospitals in Msia, especially KL have a bad reputation...... they admit all patients, but the care is not good compared to private hospitals. I have a few horror stories from personal experiences. The latest one is my friend was warded with chest pains, after 2 days he was discharged being told it was a muscle strain, when in fact he'd had several minor heart attacks, and was readmitted a day later.

It's sad when hospitals will only accept patients who can pay, but it seems to be the norm now in many countries. As Katie says, the UK is good in that the NHS is obliged to treat all patients, but this results in huge waiting lists, and sorry to say the system is abused by foreigners and immigrants who go there just for treatment.


ltw222 75M
7793 posts
12/30/2007 7:24 pm

Thank you all for your informative comments. I just wish someone from Japan, maybe Oldden53, would enlighten us. The reasons given by the authorities were:-
1. The people in Japan are living longer. The average lifespan I think is now in the 80s. Older people, of course, needs more care.
2. The shortage of doctors. It was reported that the Japanese government's new policy is to reduce the number of doctors! I cannot help but wonder why.

It is disheartening to know that this is a world-wide phenomenon. I guess all of us are to blame; from the doctors with their Ferraris (who may have replaced the Hippocrates oath with the Hypocrite's oath?)to the people who refused to pay taxes because it benefits others who are less fortunate, and the government who refused to budget more for health care, and some of their inane policies.
However, we have to admit that it is due to improved quality health care that we are now living much longer. For example, in Malaysia, the average lifespan has increased from the 50s to 71 for men and 78 for women.
In Malaysia, as pointed out by flakes and rose, we are like the UK where everybody gets treatment by the government hospitals for a token sum. Private hospitals are mushrooming and hence, medical insurance, too. Where are we heading to? I don't know. I just hope that this rejection by 20 to 30 hospitals, because of money or otherwise, does not happen here, ever.
It is foreseen that in the near future, the average lifespan is going to increase to more than 100. Are we and our governments prepared for this?

Lee


Live today as if it is your last
For tomorrow will soon be in the past